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Smudge
I bought the this lantern a month ago. The rising sun globe was cracked but the image on the globe was so faded it didn't matter much to me. I replaced it with a Fred Kuntz globe. Also, the clocking was off and I had a tough time trying to loosen the valve. It's a good thing I didn't give up because once I removed the valve, I discovered the spring in the F/A tube was missing. Judging by the gouge marks, it appears the burner, air tubes, and generator were "cleaned" with coarse wire brush. I had a NOS nickel generator I used for a replacement. Aside from the wire brushing, the air tube was in nice shape and the generator fits perfectly snug in the opening.
The collar was also wire brushed, and I think this is why the collar looks almost black. I used a fine wire brush across the grain to smooth the surface, but it still looks almost black. I like the look of it, so I put a Sears black hat on it.
The good news is the nickel fount was spared the wire brush, and after some polishing, looks pretty good. The fount was sound but did have some rust inside so after Evaporust treatment, I applied Red Kote inside. Now, I figure I'll wait about 30 days for the Red Kote to cure, and fire it up. The photos are before and after. Thanks for looking. Click image for larger version - Name: 5C7173E0-C82A-43BF-BC23-20EA79E35300.jpeg, Views: 335, Size: 190.04 KB Click image for larger version - Name: B89CF9DE-3692-49F4-9E03-83155CAA16C8.jpeg, Views: 338, Size: 190.44 KB
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1hpycmpr
That looks nice with the black vent, Karen. Real nice. Other than the color of the table and background bricks, I would swear the picture was taken in B&W.
Mark
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Mister Wilson
That's really sharp looking Karen.  I put one of those Fred globes on my B, I really like the way they look.  Nice job!
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NYGfan
Looks good Karen. I like the look with the black hat.
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1hpycmpr wrote:
That looks nice with the black vent, Karen. Real nice. Other than the color of the table and background bricks, I would swear the picture was taken in B&W.

Thanks, Mark. It does have sort of a monochrome look with the black and nickel. I actually added a couple of old fence slats on top of the existing table because I had clumsily spilled some Red Kote on the table. So, now it has a rustic look to it. This was my first experience with Red Kote.
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also happens to the man. Whatever befalls the Earth, befalls the sons of the Earth.” - Chief Seattle

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Mister Wilson wrote:
That's really sharp looking Karen.  I put one of those Fred globes on my B, I really like the way they look.  Nice job!

Thanks, John. Those Fred Kuntz globes are super nice. Now, I'm glad I bought a couple of spares.
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NYGfan wrote:
Looks good Karen. I like the look with the black hat.

Thanks, Joe. The black hat was an afterthought. I'm not sure if I will restore the Sears doner because the fount is rusted to the extent it probably need repaint.
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also happens to the man. Whatever befalls the Earth, befalls the sons of the Earth.” - Chief Seattle

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holliswood
Awesome looking lantern!! That globe sets it off.
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NYGfan
I often thought about a mil-spec with a black hat
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Smudge
holliswood wrote:
Awesome looking lantern!! That globe sets it off.

Hollis; Thanks, I was lucky I had one of those globes on hand. I once had a correct rising sun globe, but it cracked when I was cleaning it. Those old globes can be very fragile.
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also happens to the man. Whatever befalls the Earth, befalls the sons of the Earth.” - Chief Seattle

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Smudge
NYGfan wrote:
I often thought about a mil-spec with a black hat

That's interesting. I think the vent on the mil specs has a larger opening for the larger ball nut. I'm not sure if that applies to all of them. Mine is a 1952.
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cptuap
I've used Red Coat a few times over a couple years with seemingly good results.  No problem so far.  I drilled a hole in the can top to pour through and closed it with a sheet metal screw.  Less air exposure to the contents that way.  I like the stuff.
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Smudge
Charlie; Amazon has great reviews for Red Kote as well. I read here about drilling holes to pour the product. I drilled two hole on the bottom of the can. One for pouring and a small hole for air venting. I could imagine it would be pretty messy to remove the lid and pour, although I still managed to make a mess on my table. But, this was a learning experience for me. I like the fact that the Red Kote is not too viscous, but it does thicken after a short time.
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also happens to the man. Whatever befalls the Earth, befalls the sons of the Earth.” - Chief Seattle

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74HARLEY
That really came out great Karen! I may copy the idea one of these days...
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Donnellym
Wow that’s a real good looker! Nice job!
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BSAGuy
That looks great.
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Smudge
Thanks so much for the comments, folks. I'll probably keep the black hat vent on it, because I have a another green fount 228E lantern that could use that green big hat.
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cptuap
The thickening in a short time of the Red Kote is why I didn't punch a vent hole.  I just squeeze the can.  Less airspace, fresher goop.  I know that will only work for a few uses but since it is not used often I didn't want to lose most of a can before needing it again.  Besides, it provides and entertaining shape on the shelf .[smile]
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Smudge
That's a good idea. Next time I use that can I'll just leave the vent hole sealed.
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Smudge
It's been about 4 weeks since I coated the tank with Red Kote. The acetone odor went away a couple of weeks ago, so time to fuel it and fire it up...She's a runner!
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Andrew
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Smudge
Thanks Andrew. The PO had done a lot of aggressive wire brushing on the brass parts. I also had to replace the valve. I think someone had clamped too tight in a vise. Even the pump shaft was wire brushed to the extent that it was actually textured. I smoothed it with various grits of sand paper ending with 1500 grit.
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also happens to the man. Whatever befalls the Earth, befalls the sons of the Earth.” - Chief Seattle

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VWguy
Good call on the black vent. Looks great!

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Smudge
Zach; Thanks, I figured since the collar already looked black, I'd try it with the black vent. At one point, I painted the collar black, but it looked too black. So, I removed the paint and now it has sort of a graphite look to it which I like. It appears more black in the photo, than it actually is.
"If all the beasts were gone, men would die from a great loneliness of spirit, for whatever happens to the beasts,
also happens to the man. Whatever befalls the Earth, befalls the sons of the Earth.” - Chief Seattle

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BobS
Looks great Karen, really liking the black.

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Smudge
Bob, Thanks for your comment. This was a fast and easy way to get a custom look. I never really planned on it.
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also happens to the man. Whatever befalls the Earth, befalls the sons of the Earth.” - Chief Seattle

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NYGfan
I really like the look of this one with the black vent. But then again you always make pretty lanterns. Now I'll have to really start looking for a donor Sears to make my mil-spec . I have a 52 that needs a vent stud so should be able to step it down to fit a reg vent. Maybe also go to a big hat.
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Smudge
Thank you, Joe. I once saw a black big hat vent for sale on Ebay. I'm still kicking myself for not buying it.
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also happens to the man. Whatever befalls the Earth, befalls the sons of the Earth.” - Chief Seattle

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1hpycmpr
That is a great color combination!  Good to see that you have it up and running.  It's a beauty!
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Smudge
Thanks Mark. After I got it cleaned up and repaired, It fired right up with no trouble. I like the 220/228's.
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grob
Hi Karen, Really like the grey scale (design lingo) look. I got a 228B 1936 a couple weeks ago and it was clocked wrong like yours. When installing the cleaner assembly, I could only get it about a 1/4 turn past where it was before and it got REAL tight. It is now 180 degrees from where it should be. I think I'll back out the cleaner assembly 180 degrees out of the fuel valve and do a dunk test with the tank pumped up. If no leaks, then done. Might need a sealer though.

I am currently working on a file with photos and descriptions of the different eras of Coleman globe logos from 1931 till present for 220, 228 style lanterns. I have been using Darren Bentz's guide as a staring point. I'll post a pdf sometime soon to get some input for changes and comments.
I wanted to ask your permission to use 2 of your black hat photos cropped and retouched? If yes, how would you like a photo credit? I don't know your last name.
Thanks, Gary



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Colemannut
Not sure if you read the original thread post but the globe on Karen's lantern is a reproduction and the vent is not original to the 228B's. Just thought I would throw that out there. I do know where some original sunrise and straight line etched Coleman globes from the early 30's are.
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Smudge
Gary; You are welcome to use my photos, however, as Colemannut mentioned, that lantern is not original. The globe comes from a Sears lantern from the 1960's, and the globe is a reproduction. I'm not sure if that style globe was ever produced, but someone else may have some info about it.
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also happens to the man. Whatever befalls the Earth, befalls the sons of the Earth.” - Chief Seattle

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grob
Thanks Karen. How do you want your photo credit? The vent is cropped out for my purposes. Your photos show the globe better and this is a guide for globe identification. Here is what I believe is an original 31-33 etched globe on a 33 228B. The case is a custom one that I build for sale in the classifieds BTW. The B models have the cleaner assembly, genny, air and burner tubes nickel plated FWI.
Gary

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Colemannut
grob wrote:
Thanks Karen. How do you want your photo credit? The vent is cropped out for my purposes. Your photos show the globe better and this is a guide for globe identification. Here is what I believe is an original 31-33 etched globe on a 33 228B. The case is a custom one that I build for sale in the classifieds BTW. The B models have the cleaner assembly, genny, air and burner tubes nickel plated FWI.
Gary

 


Gary, you might want to double check your information about the Model B lanterns. They were made for around 15 years with many different parts then what you mentioned above. The Etched globes started in 1930 also and I have two different designs that are original. If I remember right there is another. Just some FYI for future reference. 
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Smudge
Gary; Just credit the photo to Smudge from CCF, or even no credit at all is ok too. Thanks.
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also happens to the man. Whatever befalls the Earth, befalls the sons of the Earth.” - Chief Seattle

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Chucker
Also Gary, you mentioned the clocking on yours being 180 deg. out. What often happens is a PO over tightened and they can get 90-180 deg. out. Yes, you can simply use a medium strength (blue) Loctite to hold it back 180. Let is set up before lighting. 

To test if it is torqued in too far look through the fuel bung with a light and see if the F/A tube is touching or nearly touching the bottom of the fount. 
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grob
Thanks Chuck, I'll do a dunk test first and I have some blue Loctite if needed. Hard to see, but the F/A tube looks to be real close, but not touching the fount bottom. I believe the fuel valve is in the right position. If you want to follow this further, it will be in '1936 228B Flea Market find before and after pics' thread, so not to take over Karen's thread.
Gary
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