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Some guys seem to think these are the cat's meow. Help me here please, are these better than Coleman or just a very good substitute? If they are better, why?
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In my experience, and in my lanterns, Peerless burn very white, whereas the current Coleman's look a bit yellow when they burn.

If I were ordering something from the sponsor's parts house, and I did not have any Peerless, I would order some. 

Otherwise I would use the Coleman's as they are available locally.

Both work.

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The last time I looked, Coleman was selling two mantles for about $2.50 in a pack of 21's. The Peerless are stronger, whiter, larger, cheaper. The last few Coleman mantles that I used, they tore on the initial lightup. I don't have that problem with Peerless. The old Silklites were just fine, the current Coleman mantles just aren't what they used to be.
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I have not had any issues with the Coleman mantles, the Peerless may be a bit whiter but it is not that much of a difference. Walmart has 4 pack #21s for like a buck fifty or so.



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Peerless, for the reasons above.  I also like the bulblike shape of the Peerless 2C-HG.  To me, they seem whiter than Coleman 21's.  If you have an opportunity to try some, go ahead.  That said...to each their own.  Choices are good. 
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It's all about perception. Technically, the mantles made with thorium and yttrium are approximately the same brightness if you measure it with instruments (I read a research paper on this). But a human eye sensitivity to different wavelengths is different. Maximum sensitivity is where light is green. Probably thorium mantles emit more green than yttrium ones - I don't know. And as far as I know the chemical responsible for yellow tint is cerium. For example, non-radioactive Tilley mantles have a green tint in the light - they definitely use a different formula than Coleman.

I have some peerless mantles and I like them, but I treat them with respect - minimize exposure.

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In today's world the radioactivity from these mantels should be the last of our worries. I think peerless are the best.
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Peerless rock!  They shape better, they have a more "human" color, they're tougher.  The only think they are not  is available at Wally-World!  Support out sponsor and give them a try.  I only use 21s for test burns, and I don't shed a tear when I knock them off and replace them with 2C-HGs.
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Since I started using peerless, I've been a fan all the way. Still have a stockpile of coleman 21a's and just two nights ago all 4 in a brand new pack were ripped and full of holes.
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The world consists of small things that are interconnected together. Every of them is important.

The biggest concern is not those who use the mantles, but those who manufacture them. Those folks handle tons of radioactive materials daily. And I suspect the safety regulations in the Philippines are not very tough. Soil contamination at former factory sites everywhere is still a problem everywhere even though the factories are long gone. And I doubt those who make Peerless mantles have exceptionally good filtration systems - so the pollution probably continues there. So why aggravating damage? Air and water don't care about political or other boundaries - they go everywhere, so the pollution is a global problem. This is not the case where you can say 'not in my backyard'.
So the lack of whiter light is such a minor problem in comparison to this. Let the light be yellower but the environment a bit cleaner.

Think of me as a hippie but this is my rationale for not buying more peerless mantles!

Besides, the Coleman mantles are still made in the US, right? Better for economy.

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Besides, the Coleman mantles are still made in the US, right? Better for economy.

The last Coleman mantles I bought were made in India.  So, do you think that India has
a better employee health mandate than the Philippines?  I highly doubt that. 
The Philippines have a fairly good health and safety system in place, unlike India, which
seems to have just about none.  If I were to only consider which country were safer for
the workers, I would certainly choose the Philippines over India, where there are not
even any child labor laws, much less health and safety laws.

Besides that, the Peerless mantles are simply much whiter, have a failure rate about
600% lower than the Coleman counterpart, and they last much longer, too. 

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If you are using a big lantern like a 237, 639, or a Petromax, you will not be able to find thae 500cp (#11) size mantles in local stores any way. as long as you have to order those you might as well get Peerless. 

Mike at OCP is a good source but if all you need is a few packs (like 3)  you can get Peerless from eBay for  only a few dollars to ship.  I think the guy who sells 'em on ebay is a CCF member but I'm not sure. 

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I use them both, Coleman I get localy and whenever I place a parts order to Mike I get 4 or 5 packs of Peerless along with the order.   I like them both, lean toward the Peerless on durability and brightness.

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Here's an old thread that talks about the same, old subject but with a little less hyperbole and grandstanding.

http://colemancollectorsforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/Thorium-mantles-not-brighter-5910669
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Did they recently move production to India? My newer mantles say 'made in India' but the older ones don't. It can be true about Philippines being better. India has almost no safety regulations indeed!
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I haven't had any problems with Coleman 21A's from WM at $2.25/4pk.  They burn better than the gold top Colemans I got with a couple lanterns, IMHO.  I did just pick up some Peerless with last OCP order, but Mike was out of the 21A equivalent.  Haven't used them yet, but I see a difference between Coleman and the Egret mantles I got from Jeepfreek.
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Here's an old thread that talks about the same, old subject but with a little less hyperbole and grandstanding.

http://colemancollectorsforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/Thorium-mantles-not-brighter-5910669

Excuse me please, but what hyperbole, and what grandstanding? 
This is a good discussion, is it not?

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One big plus for me regarding Peerless is that I believe the former name of the company in the Phillipines was the Gasman Mantle Co.  What a nice name!
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Saving the earth via Yttrium mantles.
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It's not saving the earth but the environment or just the health of people who manufacture them.  Not the healthiest job to have.

The name is nice indeed and they do make really nice and durable mantles.

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I have met Sam Blank,owner of Peerless Mantles, as have many others that have attended ICCC Conventions. He is truly into it to make the best mantle possible, and don't quote me, but I believe he states his mantles are not radioactive. He also treats his employees with respect and meets all safety requirements in his factory in the Phillipines. He is also a member here on the CCF
BTW I really like his supperior product
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Yttrium dust isn't healthy either, so when I'm burning in either kind in a no wind situation I hold my breath burn 'em off stumble away and breath.... or if I have one handy a chemical respirator...
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"The last Coleman mantles I bought were made in India"  Unless this happened very resonantly, Coleman mantles are made in the USA. Coghlan's mantles are made in India.

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The Peerless mantles are superior in quality, output, and color temperature compared to the current production Coleman mantles. The C2-HG are probably the closest to the original Milspec mantles and work great (only pinholes with peerless are operator induced).

If you are soooooo concerned with mantle production, buy an LED Lantern (you will need a minimum of five for the same light output of a little 285) and add to the downstream pollution three fold per lantern. 
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This may sound stupid but I hadn't noticed 'til last night that the peerless 2c-Hg has  what appears to be a little red skull that can be seen as they dim down. Has anyone else seen this or am I crazy?
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SOFT GREEN GLOW - I have been using the Peerless mantles for about 1 year now and the only side effect that I have noticed is a Soft Green Glow at night when the lights are off!!
    

OK - I have used the PEERLESS (various sizes) for a year or more and have been extremely happy with the brighter & more durable product.  All things remaining constant, I would not even consider going back to Coleman mantles.

If in doubt:  buy both, compare and then make your own decision...I don't pay much attention to the claims of 'radio activity' as I don't eat the little buggers or work (use) them 24 hours a day/seven days a week...follow your own judgement is my suggestion.

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We use about  500kg of Thorium per year in our factory and that is for our Amish customers who insist on Thorium mantles. All of our other production is made with Yttrium. Our Thorium solution is recycled non is thrown out, our waste water is tested every quarter by the EPA and comes out clean every time.

 It is funny Dean mentioned child labor, I was just contact by one of my German friends who told me in EU they are now requiring a supplier to prove they are not using child labor. He was wondering how Indo will get away with supplying street light mantles to Germany. That is good news for us because we just get a very large order for street light mantles from Germany.

Our employees enjoy wages and benefits that comply with the laws in the Philippines and there is no health risk from Thorium in our factory, I personally spend a lot of time there myself.

 Actually  the  former  name  of our factory was Coleman Mantle Mfg. Corp. which now is Gasman Mantle Mfg. Corp.
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We use about  500kg of Thorium per year in our factory and that is for our Amish customers who insist on Thorium mantles. All of our other production is made with Yttrium.



How are we as consumers able to know which is which?


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Mantle-Thanks for posting.  I love the Peerless Mantles.  I use the Wallmart Colemans as my "test" mantles but use Peerless on all my "good" lanterns.  Peerless are the only ones that go camping with me.  THey are especially durable compared to Coleman mantles.  That alone makes them superior.


Regarding the radioactivity question, I sent one of the mantles to one of my friends who is an engineer/professor type and here is what he said:

The lantern mantle arrived and it's definitively radioactive.  I get 300-500 counts per minute from it, which is about double or triple what I get from a 2% thoriated TIG welding electrode.  The mantle has more surface area than the electrode, which probably accounts for much of the difference.  What really makes my detector chirp is the Am 231 sample I got out of an old smoke detector.  That gives off about 20,000 CPM."


Anyway, the 2C-HG are definitely radioactive.  It's alpha radiation though, so not super dangerous.  

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Hey Drew,

Were the ones you had tested from the yellow and red packaging or from the green packaging.

I have 2C-HG from both and they are both 4 to a pack, but they have different bar codes on the back.

Bar codes typically designate product and quantity, not packaging.

Hence my question above about which is which.

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Thanks bud.

If Mantle Steve doesn't come back to address my question, would you be able to have the green packaging tested if I sent you some?

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I recently used some peerless. Wow bright. Tougher than most too
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i thought it was me with the dimmer apperance of the lantern, but after this post i am getting the peerless mantels, used these lanterns for  lots of years thought it was older age getting to my eyes
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Phil,I do the same thing.Take a big breath ,light 'er up and get out! I do the same thing outside with rear drum brakes,get the blow gun,big breath, etc.
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I bought some Coleman #11's at the outlet store last summer and they were made in India. The 21's were still USA.

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Phil,I do the same thing.Take a big breath ,light 'er up and get out! I do the same thing outside with rear drum brakes,get the blow gun,big breath, etc.


Don't do that with the brakes, just leaves it for someone else to find. I use a cheap mister/squirt bottle and cheap rubbing alcohol cut 50/50 with water over some newspaper. Fold it up, put in garbage. (worked for years in brake shops, prolly breathed more in a week that you will in a lifetime. not trying to preach, I used to do 4-5 a day the way you described, and now have a guilty conscience about what I may have exposed others to)

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So.. they're radioactive?? I didn't think anyone had the guts to sell such a thing these days.

Hm, then again, the last Aladdin mantle I bought set the counter needle swinging..




I'm not surprised. I bought some of these: http://www.aladdinlamps.com/Product_View.asp?StockID=ALA-200 and they are blindingly white and bright. If I could find any more I would use them exclusively.


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We use about  500kg of Thorium per year in our factory and that is for our Amish customers who insist on Thorium mantles. All of our other production is made with Yttrium. Our Thorium solution is recycled non is thrown out, our waste water is tested every quarter by the EPA and comes out clean every time.

 It is funny Dean mentioned child labor, I was just contact by one of my German friends who told me in EU they are now requiring a supplier to prove they are not using child labor. He was wondering how Indo will get away with supplying street light mantles to Germany. That is good news for us because we just get a very large order for street light mantles from Germany.

Our employees enjoy wages and benefits that comply with the laws in the Philippines and there is no health risk from Thorium in our factory, I personally spend a lot of time there myself.

 Actually  the  former  name  of our factory was Coleman Mantle Mfg. Corp. which now is Gasman Mantle Mfg. Corp.
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OK, my next question is: How do I identify which material is being used in the Peerless Mantles that I have 4 large boxes of , in inventory?
None of them says anything about Thorium or Yittrium.

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We use about  500kg of Thorium per year in our factory and that is for our Amish customers who insist on Thorium mantles. All of our other production is made with Yttrium.



How are we as consumers able to know which is which?



Yes, WHERE can I get some of these "Amish" mantles?

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Maybe the ones labeled "Lancaster Lanterns"?  That's just a guess.
Whatever type of Peerless that OCP sells are very bright.  Quite a
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Don't do that with the brakes, just leaves it for someone else to find. I use a cheap mister/squirt bottle and cheap rubbing alcohol cut 50/50 with water over some newspaper. Fold it up, put in garbage. (worked for years in brake shops, prolly breathed more in a week that you will in a lifetime. not trying to preach, I used to do 4-5 a day the way you described, and now have a guilty conscience about what I may have exposed others to)
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My packages of the Lancaster line say that they are radioactive. The peerless packages that I have that say made for American and European markets say nothing about radioactivity.
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Phil,I do the same thing.Take a big breath ,light 'er up and get out! I do the same thing outside with rear drum brakes,get the blow gun,big breath, etc.
                                

As a much younger man I used my own breath to blow out brake drums and clutch housings.. When I was a very short kid  a friend of my dad's came to fix our furnace chimney pipe.. He sealed around the pipe with  an asbestos dough mad by adding water to dry asbestos.. Packed it in by hand..  When finished, he gave me what was left to play with.. Including that which was not mixed.. I shaped it. Made things with it.. Added water to that which was dried until  it was all gone.. On my clothes, around the house, inside of me. Who knows where it went, it was just gone..   This was late 1940's.. Nobody knew it was a hazard...  Same for working on cars the way I did..  I'm still alive.. I've had chest x-rays, no problem yet..  Asbestos is mostly gone from our lives.. The miniscule radiation from thorium mantle is about the last thing we need to worry about..


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I'm not really squeamish about the stuff either. A few days ago I was working on an old R55 getting the "filler" out of it. As I was pushing and pulling with a hooked wire, flushing with alcohol and blowing thru it, I thought "I know this taste from somewhere". After awhile, realized it was that burned asbestos taste. After all I've had, that little dab prolly won't make much difference.
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