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mgmlvks
Back at the homestead and comparing the (believed to be) Model AA with my Sunshine Safety Lamp from Dick Sellers Auction.  Quite a few differences and have NO IDEA what they mean!

Looked through "The Book" and while I am sure it is a Model AA - I am not at all sure what the other one is!  May be a collection of parts.  It is not pictured in the Sunshine Safety section (p306 & p307).  Interesting that it also has a tip cleaning lever assembly.

Anyway - 

  1. Thoughts on Model AA?
  2. Any insight as to the Sunshine Safety Lamp?

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the other one is a national stamping and electric . different animal .
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mgmlvks
Well - breaking down the AA, got the rod out of the tube, but do  not see a gas tip anywhere.  Where does it live - can anyone send a pic or diagram of how it fits??

Thanks
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When you unthread the curved air tube the gas jet lives in there. Pop out the air tube and there you go.
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Search is your friend now to find it!



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Appears mine is not here

Did I read somewhere that Dean made a replacement with a 220 tip?

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Mine does NOT look like this!

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no , he straight up made a new original looking gas tip .that was some time back now . there is ways something missing on these AA lamps . thats just par for the course .

ya Mike , i can see its missing in this pic . but Dude you have the heat bell , the post fot it , the bad azz early thumb screw , looks to be a SS shade holder ..........all good stuff :-)
is the snorkel threaded ?
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mgmlvks
Being a lampie is not an easy path!   So Close - So close!

So Steve - any extra gas tips ?  If so - let me know!

and/or 

I can PM Dean as well

and - thanks CCF - awesome thread to learn from
http://www.colemancollectorsforum.com/post/coleman-airolite-lamp-model-aa-1912-7559128
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Thanks Steve - your opinion means a lot!  Yes the snorkel is threaded, have not chosen to remove (yet).  The open end is squashed a bit - contemplating how to make it about "right" and fashion an adjustable air control.
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Mike, you can make a 220 gen tip work IF you have an original of course and keeping it original at the gen tip is not important to you.

Drill and tap the original style gen tip for the 220. Done. Then all you need to do is prick it when needed and replace it with another 220/228 tip down the road. Not sure about the orifice diameter originally but a 220 is designed to push two mantles. 
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Chucker wrote:
Mike, you can make a 220 gen tip work IF you have an original of course and keeping it original at the gen tip is not important to you.

Drill and tap the original style gen tip for the 220. Done. Then all you need to do is prick it when needed and replace it with another 220/228 tip down the road. Not sure about the orifice diameter originally but a 220 is designed to push two mantles. 


I like that plan - but my original is "somewhere not here" (missing).  I have emailed Dean asking if he can cobble up a fake part to place a 220 tip on.  
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PM replied to, Mike.  For others here, except Steve (he already knows) I can make a repop of the original AA gas tip if needed, or I can do the 220 tip transplant for a worn original tip.  I've done both.
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mgmlvks
Thanks Dean!  This is a GREAT place!

Next - I am considering reversing the main tube on the lamp - putting the shiny side up and covering the worn and scuffed side inside the handle.  Need to chase a few threads though. 

As for the "next thoughts"
  1. Packing - I believe it is all asbestos rope fibers.  Can I just tap it out and repack it or brass/bronze wool in the other end, and how long a packing is it?
  2. I have seen references to a brass screen just below the gas tip - is there a clever way to replace/recreate that - or a good picture of one?
  3. As for the interior metal rod - rust rust and more rust - should I replace it with a stainless rod of similar diameter?
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before you do anything , just see if the genny is clear ? can you blow any air thru the tube with your mouth ? if its not broken dont fix it .....if it needs to come apart , i use a long rod just a bit smaller diameter than the tube and litteraly hammer the packing and rod out .  just citric the rod till clean , the packing is usualy just about a 3 inch or so piece up top . Warren may have one of the 2 eyed screen filters other wise i just cut a piece of fine brass screen and wrap it around a pencil eraser to for a cup and then stuff it over the new packing before putting on the tip .
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mgmlvks
before you do anything , just see if the genny is clear ? can you blow any air thru the tube with your mouth ? if its not broken dont fix it ......

Steve - Good and True point!  I can see an extremely small amount of an extremely fine mist with the air compressor set at 100 psi and using a rubber tip.  I am assuming the old packing is completely - well - packed!  Thoughts?
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if your getting anything thru it it may just work as is , there is typically quite a bit of resistance with these gennys . if completely clogged i have made new packings in the past . its a case by case thing .
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Chucker
Like Steve says, 'if it ain't broke'.

I've used fiberglass round wick to replace the original. My AA still had the mesh screen so I kept it. 
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what is the thread size for a 220 generator tip?
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Looking better!

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i just love the look of these turbin founts .  one piece at a time and before you know it you have a nice lamp . keep it up !!!
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mgmlvks
Some progress
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Even better!
Generator/fuel tip by Dean!
Need to go back through and tape/seal threaded connections at the valve as there is an extremely small weep.
What a NICE Lamp!

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Glad to see her running, Mike!
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Thanks, takes village to save a lantern (or lamp)
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Deanofid wrote:
Glad to see her running, Mike!

Same here. She looks fabulous, great save!
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Looks great running now.

My AA is my absolute favorite and my wife even likes it so lets me display it in our dining room. 
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Beautiful lamp Mike!  Great seeing it run. 
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mgmlvks
Weeps sealed.  Quiet night, letting AA run.  Reassemble later this week

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The CV has a slight leak and the air stem (or whatever) does not close it, continues to lose pressure.  What do I need to do?
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Looks like the tip is marred. I'd use some 0000 steel wool and have a go at it then try again. Even the slightest scratch on that tip can cause it to leak. 
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your air stem has seen better days as its pretty distorted . ill bet Dean could put a new cone on it . not actualy anything new just machine a new shape to the tip .
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mgmlvks
Borrowed Dr. Colemans pic of a 7-piece cap here - pretty sure I do NOT have all 7 pieces, particularly (from top to bottom) 1, 2, 4, and 5

Is there a good picture of a complete cap -and what do I need to do to get mine "right" (or "better")?

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OK - appears part #4 unscrews from part #6, and I can insert a piece of tubing in there.  That helps

and - Might be sending a package off to Idaho - I'll ask
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3 of the parts are just gaskets . your air stem tip is buggered up . but if the tip is re machined will it make good contact with the bottom part afterwards ???? likely but no guaranties . you see your air stem has some holes drilled into it , weakening it . and it has sorta collapsed from over tightening it , the bottom part is beefier and is probobly OK
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mgmlvks
3 of the parts are just gaskets . your air stem tip is buggered up . but if the tip is re machined will it make good contact with the bottom part afterwards ???? likely but no guaranties . you see your air stem has some holes drilled into it , weakening it . and it has sorta collapsed from over tightening it , the bottom part is beefier and is probobly OK


Steve - pretty sure that a new tip will solve the sealing problem - but without the other gaskets - it is a challenge to put air in the thing - I use the "brute force" option of a rubber tipped air hose - but the more elegant way of a hand held pump just feels better - think I can make/get/fabricate the gaskets - but - what does "Part #1" look like?  Is it a ring or threaded part?  I am away from my lamp so will look after work to see what I see.
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Mike , put a wrench on the hex part and it will come off . i use a small oring for that one  it just creates a good seal to the air stem .  a 118 fuel cap gasket for the bottom one and i make my own for the other one , it just cushions and creates good seal to your hand pump , originaly this is made of leather but i use rubber nowadays .. for  that one you need to unscrew the round ring looking part from the top of the air stem , i just gently use plyers to get it off .....
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Mocked-up with new bell cover, ready for the Dream Factory to restart in Idaho for a fuel cap tune-up.  I was able to get most of the cap parts disassembled except #4 from #6.  Thanks everyone!

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Before, After and test firing
Looking forward to the final assembly!
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Lookin' promising there Mike!
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Dwayne Hanson will have his repo air adjusters at the convention . 10 clams each .
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now im not absolutely  sure if this style of upper shade holder was used with your lower shade SS holder style Mike , probobly did . but anyways these are almost always missing !!!!! it goes under the heat bell above the shade  and spring loads the lamp shade , the shade is not going anywhere with this installed , you can hang the lamp upside down and the shade is held secure ....only works with a few shade models so they often get ditched .....any ways i saw this on a CQ lamp on ebay , i emailed the seller and told em it had nothing to do with that lamp and would they sell it to me , that was yesterday ..... just a few minutes ago they listed it BIN on ebay for what i told them i would pay for it . luckily i was on the puter and saw it before any of you did :-) this is a super hard part to find .............these AA lamps go back together one piece at time just like this ........ some times the hunt is a very long one , but the victory is sweet :-)

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The lamp from Dick Sellers had one

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yes , but that one is specific to that lamp . its not for a Coleman lamp , like the one above i posted a pic of .... different shades used longer or shorter prongs , some used 2 prongs others 4 , some have a larger center hole , lots of differences depending manufacturer .... i believe what you have there is for the artichoke shades that were original to that model lamp . i have 2 of those lamps complete here with shades .
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mgmlvks
Interesting - were these prongs sold with lamp or with the shade?  
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yes , but that one is specific to that lamp . its not for a Coleman lamp , like the one above i posted a pic of .... different shades used longer or shorter prongs , some used 2 prongs others 4 , some have a larger center hole , lots of differences depending manufacturer .... i believe what you have there is for the artichoke shades that were original to that model lamp . i have 2 of those lamps complete here with shades .


The artichoke shades were not the only original shades for SS! There were 4 total to include the 307 shade. 
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SteveRetherford
i havent tried all the possibilities . but the upper pronged shade holders i have for the national stamping and electric AKA nulite SS look just like yours and fit the artichoke perfectly . note you almost always have to a little bending of the prongs to fit the shade your working with , the short ends fit over the lip of the shade .

https://terry-marsh.com/us-lamp-manufacturers-m-o/

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