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{For the archive.}

Introduction.

The Kamplite brand was the 1949 rebrand by AGM of their lantern line. Early Kamplites are identical to their previous AGM incarnations, with the exception of steel founts.
There was one new model introduced under the Kamplite name, the IL-1 inverted lantern.
The line would be rebranded for Sears as JC Higgins, and eventually morphed into Unimet, Camper and Ash Flash models from Hong Kong.  Rinnai's of Japan lanterns also have AGM-designed valves at their hearts. 

With a little luck and patience, most of these can be brought back to life with substitute parts. In some cases, Coleman parts will fit or can be easily modified. In many cases, they only need a little TLC to be fired up.

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First up.  Some fun with the LRL-2/21/21A/21B/22 and Kooklite models.
Let's talk generators for the most common Kamplite and JC Higgins models. The popular fat-generator small single mantle LRL-2 (21, 21A, 21B, and 22).  Also covers the Kooklite KL-2.

Those of you shying away from buying or using the dual-fuel capable Kamplite LRL-2/21/22 and the JC Higgins 7400 model counterpart for fear of generator or pricker failure, fear not.
The original generator (S4903/Sears 7110) is getting scarce and can be pricey, however...

The Thermos #770 generator comes up for sale on eBay regularly and I've picked them up for as little as $5.
With the addition of a common #10 washer on top, it will fit perfectly.  It is also out of production, but 11 years after the S4903.

Take your 770 with you (leave the pricker at home) to ACE and find a small washer that will fit over the nozzle on top of the generator, and is just wider than the width of the generator.
Buy it.
(I found one ideal size at ACE. Brass #10 washer).

Instructions.
- Install pricker in the generator, then install in the machine.
- Put washer on top of generator.
- Test fit the burner. If needed, loosen and align the generator, or bend the valve so you get a 
nice parallel alignment with the upper air tube. Loosen screw and adjust upper air tube if needed. A very small amount of play of the lower air tube with some friction allows for expansion.
- Add mantle (99 or 24-A) if needed, reassemble.

The generators. Thermos on the left, Kamplite on the right.

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The washer placement. Simply put it on top of the generator.
It will fill the gap and seal the air leak.

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Kyle. Kaptain Kamplite - America's Finest Lantern Fettler.
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate and 243 Blues Member #0031 &  J.C. Higgins aficionado.
“If you light a lamp for someone else, it will also brighten your path.” Buddhist quote.  Brand-X Super Hoarder.
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oldsmokey
Thanks for posting that , Jim  - Very timely .
I have one of those lanterns in the queue :~)

Tom
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Kevin
Clever fix, Kyle!
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JimDouglasJr
Next topic we'll address:
Pesky broken pressed felt valve knobs. Easy replacement. 

A while back, I got a Kamplite in the mail and the knob was broken into pieces. If they're not too bad, you can reconstruct them with JB weld. Works great. 
However, in this case, there were just too many small pieces. I ended up converting it into an RL-2/3016. 
A good use of cracked fount AGM upper burner parts.
Move forward many months, and now I have 2 more of them in the same situation. 
A Kooklite with a Coleman-style valve wheel inspired me to look at the valve stems a little more closely. 
Turns out, the valve wheel/knob is mounted on standard splines. You just need to remove the pressed on mounting stud.

Instructions.
- Use a thin screwdriver and see if you can work the nut forward and coax it off. I had one come off relatively easily.
- If not, try pulling with pliers.
- If still no action, weaken it by cutting a groove in it. Be careful not to cut too deep. You can then widen the cut with a twist of a screwdriver.  You should be able to remove it now.
- Hopefully you revealed nice clean splines.  Install Coleman black or red valve wheel and disc or disc decal. 
The Kamplite disc will also work and Kamplite or Coleman screw should work. Kamplite discs say "mantles" even for the single mantle models.  They appear to be from the same supplier.
In one case, the wheel was pounded on is such a way it damaged the splines. It's unlikely you'll encounter that, but if so, file until the wheel will just slide on. Remove and re-attach with JB Weld being sure not to get any in the screw hole.

Valve stem with pressed felt wheel broken off.

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Try various screwdrivers and try to coax the stud off.

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Dremel a clean groove in the stud if it won't pry off. Force groove open with screwdriver to release stud.

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Should be nice clean splines under there.

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Install Coleman wheel and disc. 

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Kyle. Kaptain Kamplite - America's Finest Lantern Fettler.
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate and 243 Blues Member #0031 &  J.C. Higgins aficionado.
“If you light a lamp for someone else, it will also brighten your path.” Buddhist quote.  Brand-X Super Hoarder.
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dwillie
OMG!!! Why would anyone want one of those LOUD cantankerous thing?!!!!!
Just kidden.....
I love em.
Darien.
“All of us are creatures of a day; the rememberer and the remembered alike.”    

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Deanofid
Good data to help the crowd keep their other lanterns running, Kyle.  Nicely
written and well photographed tips.
I'm afraid they don't put the inferior brand X stuff in the archives, though.  Pity.
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aephilli
Deanofid wrote:
...I'm afraid they don't put the inferior brand X stuff in the archives, though.  Pity.
.


Albert
"At least it's not a complete wretched pulsating ball of fail and suck."
dpatten

Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate Supporter #42
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Tigerfans2
Would someone get Dean a larger paddle to stir with ;-
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JimDouglasJr
He could use his giant head if the pot's cauldron sized.

Seriously, though. I get a LOT of PMs about these from people.  Dean will attest to this, you're missing out if you don't pick one up if you have the chance.  Bright, tough, dual fuel.  Way more interesting than another 220J.

They can be a little dramatic at light up, so it's essential you use the proper mantle (Peerless 24-A or other large mantle) on the Kamplite LRL and JC Higgins models. Don't panic. They move a lot of fuel at first.



Kyle. Kaptain Kamplite - America's Finest Lantern Fettler.
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate and 243 Blues Member #0031 &  J.C. Higgins aficionado.
“If you light a lamp for someone else, it will also brighten your path.” Buddhist quote.  Brand-X Super Hoarder.
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Deanofid
JimDouglasJr wrote:

Seriously, though. I get a LOT of PMs about these from people.  Dean will attest to this, you're missing out if you don't pick one up if you have the chance.  Bright, tough, dual fuel.  Way more interesting than another 220J.

I will attest to it, because I want at least one person here to like me..
I have an AGM 2572 that is a pretty nice lantern.  Different from Coleman's in some
respects, but the same in that;  You put CF in, pump it up, and it lights.  It's a
Coleman 220 equivalent, but the styling is prettier than any of the late 220 models.
Very nice.  And, I think they were the first with the "crank" style pricker, which I love.

Also have an AGM type Higgins.  It's okay.  Not as well made as Coleman singles,
is loud, very bright, tinny feeling construction, and is not at all picky about what you
put in the fount, as long as it is some kind of gasoline-ish liquid.
I like the AGMs that have a pump like Coleman's.  And the ones that are red and black.
I like the red and black ones so much that I gave away my only one. 

Kyle, you should say;  "...if the pot is cauldron sized".  If you write "pot's cauldron",
it means the cauldron belongs to the pot.  Okay, police lights off..

I'm serious, this is a good maintenance thread.  No self-respecting Murff type person
would put it in the archives, though. 
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JimDouglasJr
Still works as a contraction, not a possessive.  Put all the words together like a big boy.

Re: Murff. Yes he would.  He's infinitely more...
1. groovy
2. with it, and
3. happening
...than you. 

You still short a red and black? Hmm.  You likey onesey or twosey?


Kyle. Kaptain Kamplite - America's Finest Lantern Fettler.
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate and 243 Blues Member #0031 &  J.C. Higgins aficionado.
“If you light a lamp for someone else, it will also brighten your path.” Buddhist quote.  Brand-X Super Hoarder.
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Deanofid
The answer is #1.  Murff is groovy, but he made ME cool.
I'll ask him about putting this in the archives for you when you're done with
the instructions.  Then he might do it.  Maybe.  Don't start the Snoopy
Happy Dance just yet.
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Tigerfans2
The splines on the old lamps fit standard Coleman lantern wheels too, just no threaded hole for the center screw. As the lantern wheels are larger in diameter I'm
not sure how long they'd last on a lamp.

I took an old lamp valve that was missing the wheel except for the center brass part and it was a bugger to get off, if I do it again it will get hit a good lick with the torch first.
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JimDouglasJr
KAMPLITE DATING.
Few products are actually date stamped.
Coleman did this and it's been great for collectors years later, but few other products of any kind are dated.

A simple guide to the AGM, Kamplite, and Thermos brand lanterns.
Rebrands (Hawthorne, JC Higgins, etc.) can be dated by their details as outlined below.

American Ready Lite. American. Pre WWII. Features determine date.
AGM. SunFlame (Albert Lea, MN). Around 1940 to 1948/49.
SunFlame (New Jersey), post WWII through 1950s.

Kamplite
, burgundy. 1949-1953.
Kamplite, red and black, old pump. 1954-1955.
Kamplite, red and black, dish pump, "A" models. 1955.
Kamplite, red and black, hex pump. 1956-1959.
Kamplite, salmon and marble. 1960.

Thermos
, blue, red Thermos decal, 2 openings. 1961.
Thermos, blue, Holiday decal, 2 openings. 1962.
Thermos, blue, Holiday decal, 1 opening. 1963.
Thermos, blue, red.grey Thermos decal, 1 opening. 1964.
Thermos, green, 1965-1971. Pump knob may be dated.
Thermos, inverted, discontinued 1968.




Next up will be my Thermos pump leak insta-fix.
Kyle. Kaptain Kamplite - America's Finest Lantern Fettler.
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate and 243 Blues Member #0031 &  J.C. Higgins aficionado.
“If you light a lamp for someone else, it will also brighten your path.” Buddhist quote.  Brand-X Super Hoarder.
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fishinpo1e1
I have picked up a KL single and a double mantle and a JCH single.
Not a lot of time to try rebuilding any lanterns I have collected as of yet.
But this thread should definitely be saved KL or not. Maybe there could be a KL and a Thermos general archive.
We need all the info we can get. I enjoy reading all the posts whether I collect some items or not. Until this year Coleman was it. 
Now I see that actually finding some of the other brands is possible and worthy of collection. 
This is a great site and a great informative post that deserves to be saved.
Rich P.
fishinpo1e1
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Deanofid
I want to say for the folks who aren't sure about my comments to Kyle;  He knows
I'm just flicking poo at him, and I don't have anything against AGM stuff.  This is
only some joking around at Kyle's expense.  He likes it.  Really.

:)
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JimDouglasJr
...and I like you, Bubbles.

Yeah, what people must think when they read our posts to each other!
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Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate and 243 Blues Member #0031 &  J.C. Higgins aficionado.
“If you light a lamp for someone else, it will also brighten your path.” Buddhist quote.  Brand-X Super Hoarder.
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dpatten
JimDouglasJr wrote:
...and I like you, Bubbles.

Yeah, what people must think when they read our posts to each other!



Felix Ungar, Oscar Madison.  That's all I'm sayin...    :-)
Dennis the Peasant

ICCC Member #1337 (Thanks Dean!)
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-R.A. Heinlein-
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JimDouglasJr
HA! 
I can't really see myself as either. 
Closest I can come to that:
I'm the Mary. He's the Rhoda. Less attractive, but often very funny.
Kyle. Kaptain Kamplite - America's Finest Lantern Fettler.
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate and 243 Blues Member #0031 &  J.C. Higgins aficionado.
“If you light a lamp for someone else, it will also brighten your path.” Buddhist quote.  Brand-X Super Hoarder.
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Deanofid
No, no, no.  He might be the Mary alright, but I'm more like Fred Sanford.
Or Fred Mertz.  Or Fred Flintstone.  Or anything but Sue, (or Rhoda).
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JimDouglasJr
Take this quiz to find out.
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Deanofid
Yep.  It says I'm the love child of Ronald Reagan and Roy Rogers.
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JimDouglasJr
This installment: The "fourth" Thermos O ring.


The Thermos combined filler/pump is a new version of an earlier AGM design. The new version has a tragic flaw - the poppet (or pip) doesn't always seal correctly which can result in a backwash of fuel out of the pump.  The poppet is similar in shape and function to the valves in your automobile. A spring holds it closed, but it's not very strong and a bit of debris or not coming back flush with the seat can result in a dangerous leak and fire.

It's easily fixed.  After replacing the main filler seal and pump ring, you'll also want to install an O ring on the poppet. (Another seal seals the whole NRV {Non Return Valve} into the tube assembly. That seal should be good. Usually there's no need to dig it out, but keep it in mind in case you do have leakage.)
It's quite easy.  You'll need a 1/4" outer diameter - 1/8" inner diameter O ring.  
Also pick up the slightly smaller 9/32" outer - 5/32" inner size. You may have a better result with one or the other.
Any hardware store will have them.

It works twofold by increasing the spring pressure slightly and by providing a flexible seal.

Push the poppet out from inside with a small Philips head screwdriver or other object with a rounded, not too sharp tip.
You'll need dexterity to do this yourself, but while the poppet is up, roll the O ring onto it.  Might be easier to have someone help you, but I've done all of mine myself.  You could try holding it down on a counter or something.
Work the ring up and back a bit to make sure it's not twisted on itself, settled against the poppet flare in it's natural shape.
That's it.
If you find this still doesn't do the trick, the pressed in seal under the poppet is probably nicked or cracked and will need to be replaced.  

Also found at ACE:
The main seal:  1" outer - 3/4" inner.
The pump ring:  45/64" outer - 27/64" inner. This one will work better than the thinner ones about the same size. A STANDARD COLEMAN fuel cap seal will also work AMAZINGLY WELL for this!

The pump disassembled.
Thermos pump.jpg 

How to extend and hold the poppet (pip).
Thermos pip.jpg
Kyle. Kaptain Kamplite - America's Finest Lantern Fettler.
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate and 243 Blues Member #0031 &  J.C. Higgins aficionado.
“If you light a lamp for someone else, it will also brighten your path.” Buddhist quote.  Brand-X Super Hoarder.
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JustOneMore
Very timely post Kyle. Just got a Thermos single with a leaky NRV. Thanks [sSig_youtheman]
If it has a flame, I like it.
While it is certainly nice to find what you collect, in reality you must collect what you find.
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egroscup
Nicely done Kyle. I have a junk pump languishing about that I managed to scratch the poppet on the low side while digging out the old o ring. Your fix should rectify that. Or maybe your pal Dino could machine up a bunch of Thermos sized caps with a tire valve stem installed for use with an external pump. Thanks for saving a load of Thermos. E.
The year 2259, the place Babylon 5
Erik
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JimDouglasJr
I think the myth is that the lower rubber seal is what's leaking.  Judging by how well pressed in and hard they are to get out, I don't think that's the case at all. 
I think leaks are from the pip, or poppet.  I like that word.  [smile]
Anyhow, I had a couple of them that leaked and this has solved it nicely.  I also had one that bled pressure over night. Again, this solved it.
Kyle. Kaptain Kamplite - America's Finest Lantern Fettler.
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate and 243 Blues Member #0031 &  J.C. Higgins aficionado.
“If you light a lamp for someone else, it will also brighten your path.” Buddhist quote.  Brand-X Super Hoarder.
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DarthShrek
Kyle you and Dean should write a book called "How to maintain your GPA's while being mocked!" I would buy it! You guys make me laugh.
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monkeyboy
"6
I think the myth is that the lower rubber seal is what's leaking. Judging by how well pressed in and hard they are to get out, I don't think that's the case at all.
I think leaks are from the pip, or poppet. I like that word.
Anyhow, I had a couple of them that leaked and this has solved it nicely. I also had one the bled pressure over nigyt. Again, this solved it. "

You don't say what you did to fix the problem?

buzz
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Mudzoory
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Deanofid
Nice writeup and pictures, Kyle.  There have been a lot of questions on the forum
about this pump and valve.  This ought to help some of the guys get going again.
I don't have a Thermos here, so I can't check your work.  I'll give it a
try when I get one.  [wink]
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cjdevesa
This definately needs to go in the technical assistance archive, you never know when a kamplite will follow you home.
Carlos
Wait a minute.... you mean there is fire and light in that nice little package? Give me 10!
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JimDouglasJr
Buzz, look at post #25.

Yeah, I think I'll post a few more tidbits and ask Murff or Ed to clean up the extraneous stuff.
Small tidbits, like correct ball nut, mantles, adapting a Coleman generator, pump differences, and a brief how-to-date post war lanterns.
Kyle. Kaptain Kamplite - America's Finest Lantern Fettler.
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate and 243 Blues Member #0031 &  J.C. Higgins aficionado.
“If you light a lamp for someone else, it will also brighten your path.” Buddhist quote.  Brand-X Super Hoarder.
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Deanofid
Kyle, which types of AGM have the hex fitting for the fount bung?  You should
tell folks about that, and how to keep from ripping that thing out.
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Junkboy999
Wow thanks.

I have a Thermos lanter and CJ Higgins both need o rings and now a Thermos stove. I’m gonna be a busy man this winter fixing them. I even have a lantern with a broken knob thingy on the end of it. Did not even occur to me that was part of the knob still stuck on there.
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bluepen61
The third o-ring technique worked on my 8312!! Thanks!!!

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and the usual unusual ones.
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JimDouglasJr
Junkboy, all winter?   The pumps on those lanterns and stoves can be re-O ringed in under a minute.
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Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate and 243 Blues Member #0031 &  J.C. Higgins aficionado.
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Deanofid
JimDouglasJr wrote:
Junkboy, all winter?   The pumps on those lanterns and stoves can be re-O ringed in under a minute.

Only by you Kyle, because you're so super!
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JimDouglasJr
Fly me in and I'll have 'em fixed in a weekend!
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Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate and 243 Blues Member #0031 &  J.C. Higgins aficionado.
“If you light a lamp for someone else, it will also brighten your path.” Buddhist quote.  Brand-X Super Hoarder.
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JimDouglasJr
Collecting off brands. A rap.

Almost any area of collecting has an entry level. Depending on what that is, there can be endless variety and be very rewarding. Many collectors, especially with heftier budget, venture off on tangents into the worlds of rarity and variety. In this hobby, you don't need to venture from the Coleman brand to do that. Due to the sheer size of the company worldwide and large production figures, parts are relatively easy to find, and few considered virtually impossible. Indeed, many happy nearly-century-old Air-O-Lanterns are still merrily lighting the night with the still-produced R-55 generator.
However, for those that do venture off, the hunt can be fun, and you're rewarded with something unique in your collection.  Anyone with $15 can snag a Coleman 220, but few have a Thermos built brown JC Higgins.

Once you have ventured into discontinued brands, you have to be willing to make the commitment and search out creative ways to get parts, and occasionally, pony up a few dollars. What can be said for Coleman products can be quite the opposite for other brands. The end of production usually meant the end of production of replacement parts.

Bargains and budgets.
  Recently, I've answered emails from several people who bought inexpensive lanterns missing parts. There was quite a shock factor when I had to tell them this-or-part wasn't readily available new or was triple the price they expected. While some parts are easy to find or have Coleman brand equivalents, a "bargain" can quickly double or triple in price when you need to replace a unique generator or globe, such as the globe for the inverted lantern models. Those can sell for $40-$60.  
Keep this thought process in mind when buying. Inverted as an example:
Inverted lantern from eBay = $85 inverted lantern.
Inverted lantern from flea market missing globe, $30 + $55 for globe shipped = $85 inverted lantern.
However, if you're an avid hunter with an open mind, there are always possibilities:
$40 inverted lantern with globe but rusted tank
+ $45 inverted lantern without globe but otherwise solid
=  $85 inverted lantern.
Of course these aren't hard and fast prices and aren't meant to be. They're examples of possibilities if you're willing to do the legwork and wait for results. Substitute any model and prices accordingly.
 
In the case of generators, we don't even know the part numbers for many brands, let alone ever see them turn up.  Try looking up an Ash Flash part number.

The big picture:
There's a certain amount of risk you take buying a discontinued off brand, especially one that looks heavily used or is missing parts.  Be sure your budget allows for the occasional disappointment and the possibility you'll need to invest more in your piece. However, every acquisition isn't going to be a letdown. Think of it as a lottery you win more often than not.



Next topics will be RL-2 (AGM 3016) and RL-3 (AGM 2572 and similar) Coleman generator adapting.
Kyle. Kaptain Kamplite - America's Finest Lantern Fettler.
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate and 243 Blues Member #0031 &  J.C. Higgins aficionado.
“If you light a lamp for someone else, it will also brighten your path.” Buddhist quote.  Brand-X Super Hoarder.
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jeepfreek
Here, I'll do vacation relief for you!

http://www.colemancollectorsforum.com/post/agm-generator-replacement-5996120

Hear you when you get back!
Andre'

Living the dream in Hillsburrito, OR
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JimDouglasJr
That's good stuff.  With your blessing, I'll repost it here.
I actually came here to talk skinny generators, prompted by an email I just received.

Thermos generator list.
770. Small single mantle. Can be used on small Kamplite/Higgins/Camper/early Unimet/Camper with #10 washer on top.
771. Large single mantle. Can be used on Kamplite/Higgins large single with #10 washer on top.
772. Inverted. Also Kamplite/Higgins inverted (S7706).
773. Two mantle.


More Generator Smack.

The generators for the AGM and Kamplite series were probably discontinued in 1960 or soon after. Thermos stuff likely by 1972.  The short generator models have been covered earlier.
I have bought rusted, cracked, smashed, incomplete, electric conversions, etc., just to get the parts, like the generator. It can be less expensive than buying new parts.

AGM Swapping.
The AGM 3016/Kamplite RL-2 and the AGM 2572/Kamplite LR-3/32 actually use the same generator with the same orifice size (Part # 408-322). 
The result can be that the single mantles run great provided they have a larger mantle, and the double mantles can sometimes run a little dim if the generator orifice is like new.
An overdriving generator with a worn orifice in a single can therefore be swapped with a lackluster generator from a double, making both happier.  Having a large collection of these, I've done several  of these swaps to great advantage.
- A 200A generator will work in an AGM 3016/Kamplite LR-2. Modify pricker, and make a little flat roll of aluminum foil to wrap the top with to seal the air gap. Or, cut a small piece from the old generator and slip it on top of the 200A generator. Use a mantle appropriate for a 200A.
- A 220 Generator will also work and fit better in an AGM 3016/Kamplite LR-2, but you MUST use a larger mantle on it, such as the Peerless 24-A or Coleman 111.
- A 220 Generator will work in an AGM 2572/Kamplite LR-3. Modify the pricker.
How to do it:
Buzz 50% or so off the horizontal length of the hook, then narrow it 30%-50%, and slip it hook in between the tines of the eccentric block until it fits snugly.  Carefully squeeze the tines on the eccentric block with needle nosed pliers if it fits too loosely.

The big Kamplite /Higgins singles can use the generator from the inverted lantern (Part # S7706. Thermos # 772). The pricker lengths however, are different.   They are scarce. 
In the above, the Thermos #771 generator (large single mantle Thermos lantern) can likely be adapted with one or two #10 washers over the tip if needed.
There is an Ash Flash generator that would likely work in them, but they're scarce, too.
Kyle. Kaptain Kamplite - America's Finest Lantern Fettler.
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate and 243 Blues Member #0031 &  J.C. Higgins aficionado.
“If you light a lamp for someone else, it will also brighten your path.” Buddhist quote.  Brand-X Super Hoarder.
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jeepfreek
JimDouglasJr wrote:
That's good stuff.  With your blessing, I'll repost it here.




It's there for everyone, so use away.
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SSGHawk
Oscar and Felix,
Dang you'all are good!

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you!



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RIP Heroes. You are not forgotten!

Paul or Sarge or Hawk;
anything but Sue!
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Bless all of those who go voluntarily into Harm's Way on our behalf,
whether they wear Blue, Red or Camo, and
also all of those who wait for them each night not knowing if.....

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Deanofid
Just a bump.  This is a good thread for taking care of the second rate brand.
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ICCC #1220. Turd-anon #18

Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas!
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JimDouglasJr
Big praise from a second rate collector.

You had to know that was coming. It was too easy. 
Kyle. Kaptain Kamplite - America's Finest Lantern Fettler.
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate and 243 Blues Member #0031 &  J.C. Higgins aficionado.
“If you light a lamp for someone else, it will also brighten your path.” Buddhist quote.  Brand-X Super Hoarder.
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Deanofid
The only way you can keep up is if I throw you a bone now and then.
I want you to feel like you're doing well.
Woof!

[smile]
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ICCC #1220. Turd-anon #18

Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas!
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JimDouglasJr
I love when you bark like a dog.
Kyle. Kaptain Kamplite - America's Finest Lantern Fettler.
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate and 243 Blues Member #0031 &  J.C. Higgins aficionado.
“If you light a lamp for someone else, it will also brighten your path.” Buddhist quote.  Brand-X Super Hoarder.
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brucesheehe
Good thread!
Bruce Sheehe
ICCC #889 - Connoisseur of Time, Friends, Leisure, & Coleman   Altoona, PA - The Mountain City - Near The Eastern USA Continental Divide
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JimDouglasJr
Entertaining at least.  
Once it's wrapped up, I'll have one of the Big Boys edit the extraneous posts and ask to have it archived.
Kyle. Kaptain Kamplite - America's Finest Lantern Fettler.
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate and 243 Blues Member #0031 &  J.C. Higgins aficionado.
“If you light a lamp for someone else, it will also brighten your path.” Buddhist quote.  Brand-X Super Hoarder.
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Scrubjay
To further extend he echos of appreciation: yes excellent thread!  I'm glad that there are "lantern/stove-iconoclasts" on this site!  Yes, Colemans are great, but I find that really quite boring: where's the challenge?

Been wanting to get a "Thermos Holiday" as of late, as they don't look like anything else, or built like: I like that!  I could have more than likely figured out what you have about the o-rings, but it's nice to have "shock-troops" clear the way, "Yes, there are a few land mines there, beware..."  I'll be bookmarking this thread for when I do get my Thermos lantern.

Again, thanks!
Jaybird
Judge a person by their actions, not their beliefs; for very few people practice what they preach!
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JimDouglasJr
I blush.  [blush]

Well, it's all good. Coleman being of course the mothership of the fleet, but there are other interesting, attainable products out there.  Just that one sub topic alone changes the single hole Thermos line from an avoid to a simple fix.

One thing I've run into three times now on Thermos products is air tubes with the generator hole either enlarged, or otherwise not mating to the generator.  In two cases, I couldn't get a satisfactory burn.  Both lanterns are/were rust buckets, so no real loss, but I believe the bend in the air tube is the weak link in the design. It cuts air flow.  Combine that with poor mating, and you have a lackluster burn.
Kyle. Kaptain Kamplite - America's Finest Lantern Fettler.
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate and 243 Blues Member #0031 &  J.C. Higgins aficionado.
“If you light a lamp for someone else, it will also brighten your path.” Buddhist quote.  Brand-X Super Hoarder.
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