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Hello

I stumbled upon this forum while searching on the web about my heater. I was given the heater from an old customer. It is a model 871. 35,000 btu. I really can't find any information on it. I tried searching the forums here and had no luck. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Sweet forum btw!!!

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Welcome to the Forum Pete. I can't help with your heater question, but no doubt someone here will. We would love to see a photo of it.

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You can also try the yahoo stove group. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KeroseneHeaterandStoveCollector  We've talked about these oil heaters a little over on Heatburner too,  but the Yahoo group probably has more info.  Flash, on this forum has one as im sure a few more here may. Keep checking back here, as im sure more will respond, but also check out the other links too.

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Welcome Pete. How about some pics? What is the nature of your heater issues?
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Thanks for letting me in guys! Also thanks for the links.
I actually haven't even get 'er going yet. Just trying to see if anyone had some sort of info. Only thing I've really seen was a YouTube video.
Going to hit up the hardware store tomorrow for fuel line and exhaust pipe.

I'll try and get pics up as soon as I can.
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Glad to have you aboard Kolemanheater!!!   I find it rather amazing, the diverse products that the Coleman company has produced over the years. I mean, come on! when you hear the name Coleman, you think stoves, lanterns, and maybe tents. In WW II, they actually were a military contractor as well. And not just lanterns and stoves...   I've been into Coleman stuff for about 6-7 years as a collector, and I still learn about something new all the time! 

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There are a few YouTube videos of the 871 and the 877 the 50000 BTU version It will run on Kerosene I believe. There may be instructions in the ICCC Archives perhaps?
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Sweet heater. Remember 90% of the issues with these heaters relates to cleaning or keeping it clean inside and out.
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Sweet heater. Remember 90% of the issues with these heaters relates to cleaning or keeping it clean inside and out.



Thanks chuck. I just stripped it all the way down. Float bowl was kinda Mucked up. Gonna soak the parts and wipe it down and put it back together. Hopefully attempting to fire it up in the next few days!!
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It also wants to be attached to a chimney. If you are going to test it get a few lengths of chimney pipe...
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Sorry if you already knew about cleaning them up. Not always sure of a person's fettling abilities.
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It also wants to be attached to a chimney. If you are going to test it get a few lengths of chimney pipe...


Thanks! I did delay my purchases for fuel and exhaust piping. I thought I ought to inspect it first. Make sure it isn't all rotted. So far it's good!
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No worries. Was my first thought when I received it. Unfortunately I've owened this gem for about a year. Just finally getting around to it! I inspected it when I first got it. And thought it was good enough. But when you mentioned it, I took it all the way apart. Glad I did with that muck in the float bowls. Not enough muck to cause any issues right away. But if I let it go, I'm sure I'd have issues.
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These are commonly called Pot Burners, double check that the bottom of the combustion chamber pot is not rusted/rotted out, it is very common on these. One other thing is they must have a special draft damper, one that can swing in and out, not just in to reduce draft, sometimes on start-up these will start chugging in combustion from excess fuel and without the proper draft regulator they can blow apart the single wall chimney pipe.

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These are commonly called Pot Burners, double check that the bottom of the combustion chamber pot is not rusted/rotted out, it is very common on these. One other thing is they must have a special draft damper, one that can swing in and out, not just in to reduce draft, sometimes on start-up these will start chugging in combustion from excess fuel and without the proper draft regulator they can blow apart the single wall chimney pipe.

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Ed,
I thank you kindly for your input! Another great piece of information.
Funny enough, the 4 screws that hold that whole assembly into the sheet metal are very rusty. I've been spraying penetrant on these the last two days.
And for the damper, is it one with an adjustable weight?

I really appreciate everybody's comments and ideas!!!
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Hi , Ed was wondering how u made out with oil heater? Mines running really rich , can't find any info of proper operation. Or is that as good as it gets lol?????
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Here's info for a Duo-therm but it can be applied to many oil heaters:
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If this isn't big enough and you can't enlarge it just PM me and I can email it to you.


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Hello there !!! That would be awsome if u could email that to me , like u said they all work on principal . Thanks much !!!
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My dad had a Preway oil stove in the garage. Actually, I still have it though not used in probably 40 yrs.  He set it up with some parts blue stove pipe, and some aluminum.  It looks like the aluminum elbow at the rear of the stove has heated enough to start sagging. You may want to use blued steel pipe, and elbow,  entirely, or for the first six Feet or so from the stove. Dad always ran it on off road diesel. The tag on the back call for "oil not heavier than No. 1." They tell me that means kerosene.   Good luck Have fun.
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Hi , did that heater have any type of air control?? Barometric damper ?
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Thanks chuck for eBay info !!! I see there is one there that comes with a t, it's for oil wood coal etc... (Black pipe ) and it's even a little cheeper ...)) I think I'm going to order it up
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Here's the Coleman Draft Meter for a water heater:

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I would like to find one for my 333A heater one of these days.


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Hi, that's proably exactlly what I'm missing lol!!! Where did u manage to find that part ? Does it burn fairly clean ?
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Google "Field Controls." I know I have 1 or two around,but they are for 12" furnace pipes.


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That's from Ed Erb's Coleman museum in Ohio. I would love to find one myself.
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Time to revive a necro post from the dead. I accidentally came across this and since these stoves are extremely rare and almost no information on them I have to comment. I am currently using a 1946 51000BTU Coleman oil stove to heat my house as I write this. They came in several different sizes and BTU ratings. They are extremely versatile. I think all of them use 6” stove pipe. They will burn heating oil #1 and 2, kerosene, and diesel very well. Diesel being very important because it’s available EVERYWHERE. I heated my last house 4 years with this thing and now it’s heating my new house after the pellet stove died. To light it I would turn on the fuel flow valve and set it about 1/3. Then I would dump some Coleman fuel in it and light it with a extended bbq type lighter. The gas burning gets it hot enough for the diesel to start burning and then it just runs for ever. Depending on how much I use it I reach in the bottom with a chisel and scrape up all the carbon in the bottom of the burn pot, then vacuum it out with a shop vac. Sometimes I take the drain plug off the back and run something through the oil hole to make sure it’s not blocked by carbon. These truly are one of the best heaters ever made by mankind if they are in good working order.



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I was wondering about how you got the diesel going. I only use kero right now but have wondered if I can put 5 gal. of bio-diesel I have in the back shed.  Mine is a smaller travel trailer size 1949 Duo-therm referenced above.  Thanks. 
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You should be able to burn probably any diesel just like kerosene. They are all a very similar oily fuel with the biggest difference being additives added to make it diesel, fuel oil, etc. A little bit of Coleman fuel or gasoline in the burner pot lit and introducing the diesel/kerosene should get it going. The problem with those oily fuels is they don’t light off with a simple flame and so the burner has to be very hot to support it’s combustion.

Those duo-therm oil heaters are very similar to the Coleman oil stove so The theory of operation is the same. I have a 59 canned ham trailer and looked over all ends of the earth for a oil fired duo-therm with no luck. I would LOVE to have one for my trailer.
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The instructions from my DuoTherm say to use a piece of paper like tissue or paper towel. Works just fine with the kero...until the outside temp gets below about 5 deg.F then I dump some Denatured alcohol in there to 'prime the pump' so to speak and then the paper will light the kero.

Duo Therms were made in Lansing Michigan by Motor Wheel Corp. So, depending on how far you want to travel to get one - do a search on Grand Rapids, Lansing, and Detroit Craigs Lists. I've seen them in there before. 

I had to get a used carb out of the U.K. for mine to run. Old one was cracked and had been cobbled up with JB Weld.

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I’ve never tried any other way to light mine except some kind of volatile fuel. I just gave it it’s weekly fire pot scraping and vacuuming a little bit ago. I can jump seat on almost airline in the country so if I get desperate I can definitely travel far to get one of those heaters. My flow control valve on mine is like new thank god. I have a 1959 Mercury canned ham type camper and it never had a heater. Currently I have a Olympian wave 8 mounted in it until I land a oil heater for it. Honestly I would think something like your duo-therm would be the best ever for these campers. Lots of heat from a easy fuel to obtain and best of all NO ELECTRICITY. I always seem to do extended camping far out and really don’t like electric powered furnaces for obvious reasons.
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Use "stove oil" in these, it is #1 fuel oil, #1 diesel will work fine too. #2 fuel oil or #2 diesel is too heavy for them. It varies from area to area but #1 fuel is about 118K BTU per gallon, #2 fuel is about 140K BTU. The further north, Alaska, Canada, Minnesota etc. the formulas tend to some lighten the specific gravity of the fuels. On the carburetor there should be a little slotted drip adjustment, but first read exactly how it works before adjusting. When lit in a flooded condition these can be a real thrill.

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You are correct Ed. I lit my old Duo Therm when it was flooded with kero. Maybe 3/8 in. deep. I lit it. The fire pot did not get red but the chimney belched black like it wanted to be an old American Big Boy locomotive. 
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My dad had a Preway in the garage. It's still there, right where he left it. When I was a kid, I lit it once while it was flooded. That rumbling sound it made was very unnerving to a kid. I used a stick and opened the lid. Black smoke and an orange flame about two feet high came forth. I did have the presence of mind enough to turn off the oil valve. Eventually, it settled down to born as it should. He always used no.2 offroad diesel in it. Oil heaters are nice even heat.  


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