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Deanofid

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I got this one today at the local pawn shop/junk store.  $21 including tax. 
From pictures I've seen around, I think it's a Preway Junior.  What do the folks here think?









The tag says:
Gasoline Lantern
Model L47W
Montgomery Wards Co.











There's enough cast iron in that manifold thing to build a small boat anchor. 
It has what looks like a preheat cup, but the cup holds no liquid.  Just has a hole in the bottom
that slides over the generator.






What is the name of the fellow who makes mica globes?  Does he make them this small?

Thanks for any comments!

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I would hang onto that globe. I don't think those are easy to come by. I think you did good for 21 bucks.
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Looks like a junior to me! I got the Big Hat version of yours. Fred Kuntz is probably the person you were referring to about the Mica globe, I am sure he can make one up if you e-mail him. Does yours lose any pressure when pumped? Does the pump handle raise after pressurized? That is the only problem I had on mine and it burns bright and long now after repairing the NRV pip. These lanterns are built like tanks and worth the $20 for sure....campinut.
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Does yours lose any pressure when pumped? Does the pump handle raise after pressurized?

Don't know about those things, yet.  It needs some work before I can test it for various functions. 
The pump leather is dried out.  Needs a soak in oil.  The valve is very stiff, and the pricker
lever is stuck fast.  Won't turn at all. 
Just needs a tear down and some clean up and maintenance. 

The same store has three table lamps.  One I know is a Coleman, but I can't identify the other two. 
Some idiot turned one of the table lamps into an electric.  Drilled a hole through the fount.
The one unknown brand that is still in good shape is marked $20.  Will probably go for $15.

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Fred made one for me, and he has one to make it by.
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these are a bit more dificult to do a complete tear down to . the dirty coleman papers have a internal break down diagram so you can see inside so to speak . its helpfull as these dont work anything like a coleman .


Here ya go!

http://light.papo-art.com/tech-n-info/Coleman_technical/OldDirtyColemanPaper/PrentissWabersInstantValve.pdf
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Do not try to take the fuel valve knob and stem off just by unscrewing the jam nut...it's much more complicated to that..you have to unscrew the assembly right at the valve assembly going into the fount...once you unscrew that, there's in inner assembly that has to be unscrewed...it's hard to describe...I'll try to take some pics of one this weekend.

Heres my Preway L47W with one of Fred's repro globes.



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Thank you for the info and links, folks!  Some very useful stuff there.
I bought this one simply because it was there, and unusual to a person who has only had
Coleman, Dietz, and Lenk kind of things.  The Preway is different enough to be interesting.

It will need some work.  The pump leather is about done for.  It will pump up some after soaking
in oil, but has many small splits and cracks.  The NRV is not NRV-ing.  The pump knob pushes
back out on it's own after pumping up the fount.  The gasket for the fill cap is leaking.  The graphite
packing for the pricker lever is nearly disintegrated.   It probably leaks, but I won't know until
I fix the filler cap gasket so the fount will hold pressure.

It will be a fun project when I get around to it.  The paint and enamel are pretty good.  Needs
some de-rusting on some of bare steel parts.  The writing on the filler and valve is gone.  Just
stuff to be done.

Does someone know the purpose of the thing that looks like a pre-heater cup?  It obviously
will not hold any fluid.  Just there for looks? 

HR, yours looks quite nice!  Thanks for the pics.

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The thing that looks like a preheat cup is a preheat cup. I have three of them, one of them leaks so I preheat the genny with a torch.
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That thing is cool.
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It looks like the center tube on your preheater cup is missing.  You can see the tube around the generator in HRydarcik's pic.  I got one recently with that part separated from the cup, but included.  It's just a tube with a small flange for attachment.  Apparently the solder or whatever can let go over time.
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He'll whip up a new one in like 3 minutes.
We hate him!

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That's pretty funny tho Steve.
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I love the special effects! Never had that happen, but weird things occur when you cut and past someone's user name into a post. I usually pre post to notepad so I am sure I strip all codes from the text. If you delete the name it might post correctly.
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Great find at a great deal, Dean; I wouldn't mind having one of those myself.
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1                    What happened to this thread?  There are words stringing
                      vertically all the way from Steve's post to the bottom of
                      the page.  They go over everyone else's posts.  Is
                       something  goofy, or is it just my eyes?

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i only see it in my post . im just deleted all my post does that help ?
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Yeah, it's gone now, Steve.  But I hate to loose all your posts!
Thanks for the fix.

Didn't anyone else see that?

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OK...I took a few pics of how to get the fuel valve stem away from the F/A valve assembly....

First this is how it looks before dis-assembly...



Then using a 1/2 wrench you loosen the 'nut' closest to the valve assembly...



When you get that loose you'll notice another threaded section inside of it...that section is flatted on 2 sides to accept a 5/16" wrench...Sometimes that outer section, even when unscrewed doesn't pull away from the inner section...I use a 7/16" wrench to gently pry it open enough so the inner section will accept my 5/16" wrench...



Unscrew the inner section and the fuel stem comes right out...





It's a completely different beast than a Coleman.

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Yeah and then try and get that valve OUT of the font... you will likely snap the valve off. Id leave it alone.
 use berrymans as your friend.
 I put nearly 100 lbs of force on mine and split the valve, just trying to get it out.
 I have some of the best penetrating oils and the best tools money can buy, best techniques to back all that stuff up.... and i nearly ruined mine.
 It works now but it took a lot of love to get it dialed. 
 I dont know why but preway CRANKED everything they made to 3 times too tight.

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Yeah and then try and get that valve OUT of the font... you will likely snap the valve off. Id leave it alone.
 use berrymans as your friend.
 I put nearly 100 lbs of force on mine and split the valve, just trying to get it out.
 I have some of the best penetrating oils and the best tools money can buy, best techniques to back all that stuff up.... and i nearly ruined mine.
 It works now but it took a lot of love to get it dialed. 
 I dont know why but preway CRANKED everything they made to 3 times too tight.


I have 6 Preways and I've been able to get the valve out of all of them by using a 10' crescent wrench and holding it on the carpeted floor with my knees.
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Hoddy, thanks for those clear pictures. I'll be doing one of these shortly and your posts will probably save me some grief.
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I have some pics of the pump assembly pulled out and apart (the nrv end) pics from an L43S but the pump is the same...




The L47 has the same air-tube system as the L43 so you aren't pumping directly into fuel... Fred made the globe for my PreWay Jr. without the hole because there is a lighting hole in the bottom of the frame. if you use CF in this lantern you do not need to pre heat. If you do not get a mixture of air and fuel when you open the valve then the air orifice on the valve inside the tank is plugged and needs to be cleaned.. It also has a screen at the bottom of the pickup tube that can become clogged... there is a metering orifice inside the tube so don't ram anything through it...

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Good one!  I think the Montgomery Wards version is harder to find than a Sears or Preway Jr tagged variety.


Fred can fix you up with a proper fuel cap gasket too.  I'll be ordering one of his globes for this lantern soon.

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Thanks much for the further instruction and commentary, fellows!  Lots of good info to help out here.
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Thanks for this thread fellas
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i have the L14a those little juniors are rock solid lanternsPicture0042.jpg 

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The air/fuel thing is also different. Opening the valve to its stop is where the air is cut off.
This is probably why the valve is different. Something to do with that.

I don't think they were self-branding as Preway this early. 

I have 2 of these.  Great little runners. Super bright.  I was able to revive the cork fuel gasket on both and neetsfoot oil revived the pips.
The other has an O ring for a fuel seal.

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Each of the stamped labels on the collar is different, depending on which retailer sold the lantern. Sears was a diamond, I think Preway used an oval label also, just slightly different from Wards. These were meant to burn gasoline or kerosene. Mine does OK with a 200A generator, a 201 would probably work well too.

The larger 2 mantle Preway has a machined nut soldered (and screwed) into the fount, which accepts the valve. When twisting the valve out of those the solder lets go and the whole nut spins. No fun. Yes I agree-they put them in too tight. However they had a different set of priorities. They may not have wanted people taking them apart. 
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