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I have collected up about every 1959 COLEMAN item that I can find to go with my 1959 SHASTA trailer and we are ready to go try them out camping.  Any great ideas for hanging my lanterns around my trailer in camp?  j


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Walmart sells the coleman "tree hanger" setup for cheap. I have quite a few.
 I try and hang only kero or 100% refurbed lanterns with new packings on the trees. 
 Id rather NOT end up with a forest fire when one of my akrons or AGM shits the bed all over the tree. Hasnt happened yet it hours of run time, but the forest is not the place to find out.

If your gonna be in a BIG tree area, youll need to go and get double the length of chain from the hardware store. What comes with the coleman setup is good enough for mid sized trees. Where i camp often the trees are giant. 

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I now have eight of these for the back yard and am planning to get more:

http://www.pier1.com/Catalog/Seasonal/tabid/975/List/0/CategoryID/92/level/a/ProductID/6167/ProductName/Black-Metal-Lantern-Stake/Default.aspx

Push into the ground upright for single-mantles and 220-style lanterns, or angle a bit to accommodate a big hat.


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I believe these are the lantern hangers campmaster mentioned:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/COLEMAN-LANTERN-HANGER/13848578

I have used them for many years. As inexpensive as they were at the time, I found I could copy the design and readily fab up a variety of sizes for family and friends. I used galvanized 3/16 rod from the hardware store and chain I had lying around. Unfortunately, I have many times been ordered to remove them from campground trees (public and private) as they did not allow anything hung from them, even these. Well worth trying though, as the lanterns can be placed high and out of the way.

You could also use tripods made to hold lanterns. I don't because of the many reports on this forum of wind gusts blowing them over. (Edit: TeePee style tripods).

Like Christopher_OR I use a variety of Shepard's Hooks. I like tall ones, up to 8 feet, but they are less stable than shorter ones, although I have yet to have one blow over. (I do make certain they are firmly planted). The variety of available colors, sizes, and types (1, 2, 3 hook) gets better every gardening season.



Space for gear is at a premium, so for the short ones I use pre-made sectioned ones made to hold S.C. Johnson Wax "OFF" brand mosquito repellent lanterns or wick oil lanterns and the larger ones I section, thread, and couple them together to provide any length I want.



If you want a sectioned one without the work you can buy a birdfeeder "station" inexpensively from Aldi's or a "birding" store for a little more. I modified one to hold a washbowl, waterjug, soap and towel including two lanterns as a wash station (not shown on this photo, although it is a birdfeeder station).



You could buy old school cast iron hangers designed for oil lamps and mount them in a custom fitting designed so they could be easily removed and mounted to the trailer (if you don't mind the trailer modification). I wonder if you can get those hangers in a swing out style?

Lastly, I like to (if possible) run a cable between posts (or trees) and suspend a 228 w/amber globe directly over the main campsite picnic table/eating area. Over that I like to suspend a rain/sun canopy with appropriate guy wires.

I probably use twice as many as most because half of them are dedicated to Dietz ('59?) wick lanterns burning Citronella oil to ward off mosquitoes.

Happy Camping!

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I buy 8' dog chains at the dollar store

and hang them from branches.

They are fire proof and have clips
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This one looks to be cool! Totally adjustable and light weight too....campinut..


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I have a couple wire coat hangers in the camper that I bend as needed into S hooks to hang from tree branches that are high up.  Works great.

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The one that campinut mentioned I think can also be staked to the ground to provide better stability. If it doesn't come that way naturally it can be modified...

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I have two of these; they are indeed lightweight and work well. Ebay, approx. $30 ea, free shipping.

If you use one, be sure to hang the lantern directly over one of the legs of the stand to ensure best stability (and, as Phil just mentioned, the legs can be staked into the ground). The stand riser height is adjustable and locked via an internal cam with a twist of the riser. If you don't like the "clock" of the hook when locked, simply un-twist the riser, and re-twist to lock as you either slighty raise or lower the riser. Tricky at first, but easy to master.


LakeGeorge's 8' dog chain from the dollar store is. freaking. brilliant.



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This one looks to be cool! Totally adjustable and light weight too....campinut..


This is what I use camping and fishing. Haveing the light up in the air really lights up an area. Well worth the money.
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Tree hangers and shepards hooks look like the ticket.  Thanks  Jim


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I like the coat hanger method but I twist the hangers to secure them well and let them hang near 2 feet below the limb, that way the heat really isn't an issue.

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I like the coat hanger method but I twist the hangers to secure them well and let them hang near 2 feet below the limb, that way the heat really isn't an issue.


I also like to hang them as high as possible for better light and out of the way of my Italian friends.
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I have modified music stands as lantern holders.

You can't put an arm on it of any length for a heavy lantern (it gets tippy or bends), but the smaller lanterns (wick, 242, etc.) work great! Rummage sale cheap! (I pay no more than $1). Light weight, strong, and amazingly compact. Not resistant to wind gusts, though. Some music instrument/microphone stands would work well too. Sorry I don't have a photo as I seem to have misplaced them....

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For those treeless occasions where you cant hang a lantern up high, and you wish to retain some night vision while lighting a large area and reduce glare:

3 foot (non-extended)


10 foot (fully extended


The recipe is simple enough:
1 - Coleman 228 (dont use one of your better examples)
1 - 1/4 x 20 collared nut (flanged nut)
1 - dab of JB Weld epoxy
1 - Wire wheel or something to remove paint.

Wire-wheel the bottom center of the fount to remove about a 1" circle of paint down to the bare metal. Apply enough JB Weld to cover the area in about a 1/8" coating, then remove some epoxy from the very center so the threads dont get welded shut on the nut. Press the nut into the center of the epoxy then build up a shoulder of JB Weld around the collar of the nut. Let dry 24 hours.

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The tripod was designed for mounting studio lighting up to 15 lbs in weight. I bought the one with the widest stance that I could find (for stability) in a heavy-duty 10 foot length. This one extends from 3-10 feet and would take a very fast moving fat drunk camper to topple it. Dont laugh... Im sure they're out there among us!


http://www.ebay.com/itm/260714541759?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

My friend had the Coleman version, but it puts all of the lantern weight out to one side so it kept falling over when bumped or when the wind blew on it. We had to stake it into the ground after it fell on his kid and burned him. IMO, not recommended when you can easily mod a lantern and buy a real tripod for the same amount and have something 4-5 times stronger and more versatile. Needless to say, the Coleman went into the garbage.


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Your friend was doing it wrong. I've made a living setting these types of portable, heavy-duty tripod-type stands with motion picture set lighting or grip equipment atop them.

One has to place the load directly above one of the legs, or the stand will fall over when one simply looks at it the wrong way.

As good as your rig is over anything else commonly available to the outdoorsman, your ten-footer would do the same in a good gust of wind; don't kid yourself.

Sandbag the legs, stake them down, tie off the stand as high as is possible w/ guylines; whichever you choose or all of the above. Be safe, use your head, and when in doubt, rattle the stand to be sure, then, just take it down if need be.




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If you can find one of these holders, it would be easy to attach a lantern to a post.



I suppose you could use a lantern safe for the same purpose.

I've been meaning to attach this holder to a old halogen lighting stand for emergency lighting, but I like FlashPilot's stand better. Fortunately I haven't gotten around to it yet. Not really appropriate for my kind of car camping as it's 2-3 times the cost, weight, and bulkiness.

As for tripod stands in general, I hang 2 lanterns on a "T" bar mounted on the stand. This distributes the weight and makes it more stable and tip resistant, Although I believe a strong wind gust could take it down if the legs aren't anchored.

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I have always tied my lanterns in a tree on a good old coat hanger or wire or to something on my camper. I'm not to fond of tripods due to the winds we get here in new Mexico lol I do have a tree hanger like Coleman makes (a clone I made with a few improvement although )
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In stead of a chain i used a ratcheting strap and a wider spread on the legs and I sharpened them and the shaft that u hang the lantern on is a few inches longer
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Your friend was doing it wrong. I've made a living setting these types of portable, heavy-duty tripod-type stands with motion picture set lighting or grip equipment atop them.

One has to place the load directly above one of the legs, or the stand will fall over when one simply looks at it the wrong way.

As good as your rig is over anything else commonly available to the outdoorsman, your ten-footer would do the same in a good gust of wind; don't kid yourself.

Sandbag the legs, stake them down, tie off the stand as high as is possible w/ guylines; whichever you choose or all of the above. Be safe, use your head, and when in doubt, rattle the stand to be sure, then, just take it down if need be.





Your conjecture is interesting but not all that accurate.

The Coleman hanging arm provides a large fulcrum which destabilizes the load. By design, it was built to minimize production costs and sell for maximum profit while hiding behind the Coleman name. It does not come with tent stakes or sand bags, nor does it advise in using them. The lantern weight was centered over a Coleman tripod leg and it still proved unstable for a fully fueled 220. I did "use my head" and secured all 3 legs with tent stakes (as already mentioned, thank you). A friend initially set it up in his camp and I later corrected the problem when he complained about the burn his son had received from it. It takes almost nothing to topple the Coleman stand in a slight wind or when bumped into unless it is secured at each leg. I noticed that you didnt report owning of having any personal experience with one of these, which might be your next logical purchase; so that you may share with us your own experiences with it. This isnt commercial light rigging. Its very flimsy, light weight and cheaply built. Im glad that several people enjoy using them, and hopeful without incident. Again, I simply woundnt recommend them when IMO, the same money can be spent towards something that is infinitely safer and better in every aspect (beyond weight and size). It actually isnt even that heavy or bulky when stored.

As to your second point, I didnt need to "kid myself" - I TESTED IT! My 10 footer (fully deployed) withstood gusting winds to 52 mph and sustained 34 mph... no need for staking (or any additional use of my head). The frontal surface area of the lantern isnt enough to catch enough air or do anything more than sway the steel mast in those winds, and I would suspect it might very well take a full 80-90+ mph gust to topple it. The tripod footprint is huge for its height. Wind information was reported (in real-time) by the Boise Airport automated weather station while I sat inside drinking a cold beer and enjoyed the show. My test area probably experienced higher gusts than reported since the surrounding topography creates a natural venturi in winds, which is not observed at the airport. Duration observed under those sustained conditions was approximately 50 minutes... or about 49 minutes longer than I would have actually been outdoors under those conditions in the first place. The initial intention of the tripod before any usage considerations was "safety first".




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Surprisingly it only weighs 5.5 lbs. The protective shipping box it lives in measures 4"x4"x41" so not much more to carry than the Coleman tripod.

I dont sell these but I almost wish I did. Interesting promo vid:.


This thing is robust and well engineered for what it is. Highly recommended.


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Well, I guess you showed me, huh?

If you'd read the thread you'd have seen that I reported that I have two of the Coleman branded stands, and have not had a lantern fall over.

Anyway... I just read how you've attached your (dedicated) lantern to your stand, and your rig is well-engineered, that's for sure. That's a great stand, too, as I alluded to earlier in my "conjecture".

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If you were to get some 1/2" emt (rigid electrical conduit) and a coupler fitting or two, you could pound an 18" piece of rebar into the ground and slip a section of emt over it, then attach another above it with a coupler, and bend the top, drill a hole, insert an s-hook and hang a lantern. It would end up looking like the old lantern hanger in this photo:



I made a couple of these with dowels and emt couplers:



It has since been stained and looks much better. The hardware is nicer up top now too.

The next time you volunteer to host an election campaign sign on your lawn, make sure you advertise the candidate with the sturdiest wire supports. You can make a couple or three good hook type hangers from one of those.

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Touche' Chris! You always could take a punch and keep on smiling. I think you know me well enough in chat - to know how much I like taking a swing at you from time to time to, uh... humor and stimulate our intellects. (Its a good excuse... for me anyways) Im sure we'll drink a few beers and clash lantern tripods together at some point in the future.



Happy non-toppling lantern tripods to you my friend!

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   Well,  after  reading all the comments,  i really think Keith  has the better plan.  The stand he shows seems very sturdy and durable.  Not that the others  are bad,  just that the one he shows seems better over all. I really like the 10 ft. height  capability.

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You can even clean your gutters at night too or hang you Northstar up and speed up the Global warming process....Lol....campinut....
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I have that Coleman lantern stand and I always stake it down. It has worked very well for me so far.
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Hmmm....another use for my light stands.  I'm no longer a "photographer", but I can't bring myself to sell my lighting equipment.

What if I modified a plastic lantern case bottom to mount to the stand.......  Hmmmm......

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If you have access to some rebar and a torch just heat the bar up where it can be bent to shape.
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