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Those red plastic one quart bottles of CF would be really handy on camping and canoeing trips where a gallon is to much and a pint (old seafoam can) isn't enough. A quart is just enogh with some to spare between my stove and lantern for a weekend out. I would refill it with my gallon jugs. Any reason not to use this ? I've heard people say the plastic leaches into the fuel and such, but isn't every gas can made of the same red plastic along with plastic fuel tanks on mowers and snow throwers ? What harm could possible come from using this plastic bottle ? I can't see Coleman using something that would make fuel go bad before it even leave the store . Your thoughts ?
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i use one myself havent had any trouble with it yet but i dont use it for long term storage
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I'm sure (but also just assuming) they're using Flourinated HDPE, which is the same stuff that is used in plastic gas cans. Regular HDPE will eventually soften with gasoline in it but the fluorine treatment makes it exceptionally solvent resistant. Coleman doesn't have control over how long those bottle will sit on store shelves so they'll want something that lasts.

Besides, the hydrocarbon most harmful to plastic is Benzene; which is absent from current production Coleman Fuel. If Benzene can't eat through Flourinated HDPE then CF sure wont.

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Those quart plastic jugs of CF are terribly expensive.

With the new adjustable Coleman lanterns, a fill-up lasts a long time.

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Have you looked at the anodized aluminum fuel bottles? Coleman makes them as do several other manufacturers.  Safer than easily squished plastic bottles and more re-usable.

http://www.amazon.com/BRS-Fuel-Bottle-Camping-750ml/dp/B00CR9Q1TQ/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1372274172&sr=8-13&keywords=aluminum+fuel+bottle


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I work out of the red plastic containers.....they are a lot easier to control than the gallon cans.  I do not purchase those containers as it is less expensive to buy CF in the gallon containers.
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I use the red 1 quart bottles and i also use the Coleman fuel filler spout with them.  plus you can fit a couple of them in a 426 stove.  I Picked up a few of them at Menards.  When i get home i usually pour the left overs through a filtered funnel into the metal coleman fuel can (the same can i filled the bottles from).  I also like keeping one at the workbench, since its takes up less space.
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Menard's has the quarts on sale for $4.98 right now. Still twice what the gallons cost but if you wanted the red container it's probably the cheapest you'll find.

I got an aluminum container at the dollar store (in hunter green, no less). I stuck the top in a little dish of CF to test it for fuel resistance. The top was fine but the gasket swelled up like a tick. So it has to be replaced with fuel resistant RTV or a viton washer before I can use it.

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Too expensive in the plastic quart.  I have half a dozen or so MSR fuel bottles that I've found at garage sales that I use.  I love them.  I use them for the chainsaw fuel too and I keep one in the boat for emergency fuel (no fuel gauge on my old Bayliner).
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Comes out to about $34 a gallon buying thoses red qts.
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I think the assumption is just buying one to get the bottle, chalking that up as part of the purchase.
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The OP is just talking about buying one of them for the convenience of the
container size.  As he said, he's going to refill it from the regular one gal. cans.

Kyron, there's no harm in leaving fuel in the plastic Coleman bottle.  CF will
not "leach" out the plastic.  That's just interwebs nonsense.
There are a hundred different types of plastic made for diverse uses.  Everything
from containing water, to holding acids, and use for fuel is in there somewhere.
They are not going to put a product that has a shelf life of over 10 years into
a container that won't last at least that long in constant use.
Heck, some car gas tanks are made of plastic, as are motorcycle fuel tanks, etc.

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An empty plastic motor oil container rinsed would also work great. Just be sure and re lable it.
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i use one
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I'm hoping the qt format doesn't sell and they start pacaging more gallons. Everytime I go to wally they have like 20qts and no gallons. I called one day they had 5 gallons I went the next day there was 1 damaged one left.
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they are always sold out because it is being used by the druggies to make meth....i always open the cans and look inside now that i puchased one someone returned full of water and nasty crap...
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The metal containers have a much longer shelf life.  That is why race fuel at motorcycle shops is in a metal container.
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Meth huh. I should have known. Pretty soon it'l be gone then.
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Don can't you order online and have it shipped to store for free?
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Quote:
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I'm hoping the qt format doesn't sell and they start pacaging more gallons. Everytime I go to wally they have like 20qts and no gallons.

Sounds like the quart format already isn't selling. 

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I've seen the qt containers. Or, let's say, I've seen the price. Had no interest in paying more than the $9.68 my near by Waly*World charges for a gallon.  I'd prefer a 5 gal container at a lower per gal price. BUT, you guys got me thinking. The qt container would be handy. Packing one in a stove is a great idea. I'll see if I can scavenge some used ones in my nearby mountain campground..I still don't want to pay double to get one.
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Right I just want one for the bottle itself , and will re fill from my gallon cans. The bottle will fit nicely into my 425 stove or canoe pack and is easily identified as CF and won't be mistaken for anything else by my kids. I don't like the price either but it is what it is. My local wally world stopped sell the quarts, plenty of gallons though, so I'll swing by the Menards after work and try to get one for $4.99. Thanks for all the input guys.
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I use the aluminum fuel containers made by Coleman; I bought several at Leacock Coleman, and am pleased that they are all made in Canada.

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First time message here been lurking around. But my favorite container to use is a used METAL 1 quart Lacquer Thinner or Paint Thinner can preferably with child proof lid not the one that you need a screwdriver to pry open. I rough up the painted label and paint over it and write "Coleman Fuel".
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I'm skeptical the Coleman bottles are made fluorinated HDPE. My gas cans are made of a rigid plastic, whereas the Coleman bottles are relatively soft. I don't have one handy to check.

Some time ago a member mentioned he got a great deal on a case of fuel packaged in plastic bottles. I believe he stored them in his garage. A year (or so) later when he checked them the majority of fuel had evaporated, presumably migrating through the plastic. I suppose it could have been loosening of the caps by thermal expansion/contraction, But don't they come with foil seals?

I have bought aluminum water bottles from thrift shops for 50 cents, repainted them red (or bought them that way), and stenciled "Coleman Fuel" on them. They work well and are puncture resistant. I pick up second hand MSR bottles as I find them.

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I had the fuel evaporate out of one of the pink plastic bottles over time. Seal was intact but it only was about half full. The stuff does burn very nice. Different color dye in it too.
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This is how all CF comes in the UK, plastic, and they seem to hold up.


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 like the OP, I did something similar
for what it's worth, I went with converting aluminum water bottles after one of my blue ones actually corroded from a ding.



i converted the blue aluminum water bottle for kero and I went and got a blue quart of the Coleman Kero.
then I found a set of six red 20-24 oz aluminum bottles for fuel and carbinger one to the packs and the rest go with the appliances.

I also have gone to stainless steel outsides for my water containers.

In my camp:
Red= Gasoline
Blue= Kerosene
Silver/clear= Water

Color coding IS something to consider

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Thanks for the tip GForce. By the way, I used the koolaid receipe you gave me on a 220e clean up and I worked beautifully. Thaks!
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I'm skeptical the Coleman bottles are made fluorinated HDPE. My gas cans are made of a rigid plastic, whereas the Coleman bottles are relatively soft. I don't have one handy to check.


The Fluorine doesn't change the physical feel of the plastic. Milk Jugs are made out of HPDE and are much softer than even the Coleman bottles. Even many bags are made out of HDPE. Like most modern plastics and polymers, production can be controlled to achieve a desired physical property.

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While it's a bit more expensive, the MSR fuel bottles work exceedingly well.  2 30oz bottles, plus full tanks in the stoves and lanterns, got me through 2 weeks of Utah travel with CF to spare.  They seal with an o-ring, can roll around in the back and not get hurt.  Plus they last for years and the top is both replaceable and rebuildable (new o-ring available).
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Thanks for the tip GForce. By the way, I used the koolaid receipe you gave me on a 220e clean up and I worked beautifully. Thaks!


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I have several old Seafoam bottles I repainted (blue for kero, red for CF and yellow for diesel) that I use to fill lanterns with. If one isn't enough you could take 2 with you. Theres an advantage there in that if one leaks you've still got the other bottle so you don't lose all your fuel.

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GForce. See my post in just bull "another 220 clean-up".
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