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Alive after a long rest. 

Stamped fount under valve, just like the 228 slant generator lantern.  Marked  10   1   on bottom for the date = January of 1930 (?).  Marked 220B on bottom.  What do you guys think?  Really old 228B or 228A?  Collar is crimped on the outside.  It has the long eccentric block, a thicker stem cleaner, and the thicker valve stem.

The green book says a 1930 lantern that is stamped on the side of the fount is a 228A even if marked 220B on the bottom of the fount.





















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looks great Bruce !!
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Nice!  Clean vent, and original globe too..

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She's a beauty, Bruce.  Really nice!

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What a beauty Bruce.

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Really nice, Bruce!
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Very nice...
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The green book is wrong. With those features, you have an early 228B. First month of production was May of 1930, I think, so that is quite an early example.


That is one of the worst errors in the green book. IT SAYS 228B on the bottom of the lantern, for crying out loud. I will never understand why some people insist that the early 228B is a 228A. This is not directed at you, Bruce, but Dave and I have friendly arguments over this quite often.

EDIT: Looking at the pictures I think it is a 1940 228B. That is a unique mix of parts on that one. Those collars are early production.

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Only the earliest B's have that Quicklite stamp with the "Quicklite" struck out. I'd say Oct. 1931 228B. Yes, the date stamps are backwards and not upside down compared to the rest of the stamp, but they were just starting to use that system, and it seems to have varied at times. The two digit month seals it as October. I can't get myself to use the Green book for any reference at all.

The only 228A's were Canadian, as far as "we" know.

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The cap, bail, and direction disk look later. Is it a two piece air tube or one piece?
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If I had to bet, I'd also say Oct 1931. I don't think any of the later B's had the fount
stamp. And it's got an early type fount, not the later type that you would see on a 1940.
I can't see it, but it should say "&", instead of "and". Date stamp is backwards, which I've
heard of other early ones having that. Never on a late B..
It has the tin splatter on the collar, which is common on the early B's, but not so much on
the later ones. That is the second version of globe, and not an etched early version, but
I don't know what date they switched to the later type globe.
It basically looks the same as my Aug 1933 version, except mine does not have a stamped
fount.  I'm voting Oct 1931.

It's my understanding that it's the second version of the slant which is the 228A.
But I'm not sure if they ever actually labeled it as such.. They had the L220/228, and
then the second version, which used a Q77, and a different 12 ridge valve knob.
Wouldn't that be the 220/228A is there is such a thing?
I consider any of the lanterns with the new type "dished" frame from 1930 on, a B.
I'm sorta surprised it didn't have the etched globe, unless maybe it got broke in the 30's,
and was replaced with the second version..  But like I say, I don't know when they ditched
the etched globes, except that it was fairly early in the B line. It could still be the original
globe if it was one of the early green ones they used. Kind of a hard call on that.




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....im glad that alex got to see this fine example of a 228A.

























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Very nice one, Bruce, whatever it is.  Just a real nice lantern, and a vintage one, and that is enough for me.
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It says "&" on the bottom.  Usual number order reversed.

Thank you for all your help.  

I am thinking Jan. 1931  Frame has cotter pins.  Two piece air tube.  It came with a sunrise globe, but I put the green Coleman one on it.  It was missing the direction disk, so I added one I had in my stash.  I ordered a reproduction etched globe from oldcolemanparts.com  

I am glad I was able to get this lantern working.

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That is a very nice lantern, the condition is incredible. I think that I see 10-1. which means Oct. 31, to me, in this case.
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Yeah, October of 31 is right. I'm really not on it today.
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Nice lantern!
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Here is the lantern with one of oldcolemanparts.com's reproduction etched Pyrex globes.






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many of the ealy B's with the stamped fount logo also had the brass stamped direction disc .
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you say it has a cotter pinned bail ? it is a bit hard to clearly there . some of the earliest of these have what is called the keyhole bail . it wore out real quick and was quickly re desighned to the cotter pins and then to crimped on . the key hole bail has to be put on the frame removed from the lantern but when instaled it cant come off , only comes off when verticle .  no evidence of the key hole on the frame ? http://tgmarsh.faculty.noctrl.edu/coleuslantpre31.htm
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i especialy like this early model 220B , but there is lots of things hard to understand here . like the globes , oh i love the look of the sandblasted logo . but everything i read says this style globe is is 1932 to 33 ..... so i think some of these came with mica ? what did 1930 and 31 use ???  http://tgmarsh.faculty.noctrl.edu/coleuslantpre31.htm

by the way i think its a oct 31 , so this explains to me why it has the cotter pinned bail and no brass disc . i think those are 30 features .

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Most likely a B

I just acquired an early July 1928 220A and the dates were from (according to Terry Marsh)

[QUOTE]"This is the earliest "A" I'm aware of. The date range I have for the A's is now 7 28 - 9 30."[/QUOTE]

The A has the same collar as the slant but not formed (bent in) in the same way on the superior edge.












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Here is close up of the collar

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And notice the short lever



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My lantern had no direction disc when I found it.  I added one from my stash.

Mica would be a good choice on this lantern.

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Nice one Bruce.
I'm for Oct/ 31 228B.
Coleman US went L220/228, then 220/228, then 220/228 B .
Don't know why they didn't have an "A" model.
Maybe they saw that Canada "A"s weren't such a great thing so skipped them in the US but wanted to retain the "A" designation for parts reference for those that were already sold.

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