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Trout
Got bored today so I decided to make a prototype windscree for my 500 stove.  Since all the stores are closed on New Years I only had aluminum flashing (.012 thick) to play with and fasteners that I had in stock.  I think I want to use stainless steel but after running the stove with the aluminum I'm not going to be in a big hurry.  Seems to work fine.  At least now I have patterns, dimensions and hardware figured out so when I decide on the sheet material it shouldn't take long.  I need to get clipnuts for the attachment screws though.  I just did a preview and not all the photos ae showing so I may have to add another post.  MikeWS4.jpg WS3.jpg 
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ThosKiwi
Nice work!
And that's a neat idea with the rotary flint mounted there as well!
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That's a great design. Well done, Love that stove.
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Trout
ThosKiwi wrote:
Nice work!
And that's a neat idea with the rotary flint mounted there as well!
Cheers

Thanks Thomas.  A single twirl and it fires right up.  It always lighted well, just not in the wind.  Now, who cares if it's windy!  I added the Sparky after goamules mentioned in another thread that he had one on a 502.  Now I know why!
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Cruiserdrew
I'm stealing the sparky mount idea!  That's great.

Nice wind screen.  Care to share your dimensions?
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vette_boy
that's a great home made project hmmmm maybe i should make one for my 500 
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Trout
Cruiserdrew wrote:
I'm stealing the sparky mount idea!  That's great.

Nice wind screen.  Care to share your dimensions?

1-pc 8 1/4 x 2"  and 1 pc. 7 3/8" x 2".  The shorter one in the photo is actually only 1 3/4" tall because I already had that laying around from another project and got lazy.  I will probably replace that with a 2" piece tomorrow.  BTW, that aluminum flashing cuts really nice with the 'shear' type paper cutter.  That's what I use.
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74HARLEY
That is very nice work! I like the sparky too...
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Excellent work.  Very close to the original.  I "stole" a piece of stainless Steel out of a defunct slow cooker which just happened to have exactly the right bend. 


 A few dremel cutting wheels later I had this.  I used pop rivets to hold on the brackets.



Many thanks to Jan who gifted me close up photos of his original Canadian Army version 500 with wind shield.

Stan 

btw be very careful with big pots on it as it will heat up the grate very quickly with that wind screen on it and warp your grate even more than it already is.



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Trout wrote:

1-pc 8 1/4 x 2"  and 1 pc. 7 3/8" x 2".  The shorter one in the photo is actually only 1 3/4" tall because I already had that laying around from another project and got lazy.  I will probably replace that with a 2" piece tomorrow.  BTW, that aluminum flashing cuts really nice with the 'shear' type paper cutter.  That's what I use.
Mike



Thank you for that.  Next weekend's project!
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Rocinron
Nice job ! I have been thinking about a couple of shields for my two 500A stoves. The sparker is a cool add too.
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LakeGeorge
Very nice idea, sir. I was picturing it was going to be much larger, but that is perfect. Great design!

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Fillerup
That's sharp work Mike. I made a set using 6" black stovepipe. Only difference on mine was I made a 1/2 moon cutout above the filler cap so the funnel fits better.

+1 on the extra heat generated. Works much better now when there's a breeze outside.

I also am going to add a sparker to my setup.  great tip!
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Nice I like that and the flint is going on mine ASAP.
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BostonTerrierMan
very nice work always amazes me how talented people are on here.  i have a couple of the factory or aftermarket wind screen on 500's and the only mod i would do is drill some small air holes to let some of the heat escape, I've noticed the top grills will take quite a heat beating with the sold wind screen on.  
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BostonTerrierMan wrote:
very nice work always amazes me how talented people are on here.  i have a couple of the factory or aftermarket wind screen on 500's and the only mod i would do is drill some small air holes to let some of the heat escape, I've noticed the top grills will take quite a heat beating with the sold wind screen on.  

Stan also mentioned the grills overheating with big pots so I'd be interested in what experimentation you may have done with yours.  I will rarely be using this for big pots or skillets now but I don't want to push my luck.  Would recommend holes for the factory screens as well?
How many and how big of holes would we be looking at.  I've got the small side screen off now and it would be quite easy to punch some holes.  Although since removal only requires 30 seconds to remove 2 screws I can do it anytime. 
I appreciate your thoughts on this guys.  Thanks.
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Chucker
I had some thoughts as I was reading this post earlier. I have a few 500's and will be making windscreens. I am considering drilling 1/16th in. holes 1/2 in. from the top edge at 1 in. intervals.

I had thought of drilling a more complex pattern however the heat is worse at the top and too many holes will defeat the 'windscreen' benefits, so I figured I'd start there and see how it goes.

Thoughts?
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Chucker - I'm just finishing up a new side for mine where I punched 1/4" holes, 5/8" down from the top, 1" apart.   It looks a little wonky mounted because I still have to run to ACE for clipnuts.  I went with the biggest my punch would do so I could test in wind.  If this size doesn't let the burner flame stay reasonable stable then I will drop to 1/8" or 3/16".  I have plenty of flashing to make more with different hole patterns if necessary.  Thank goodness for yard sales!
Working from both ends of the holes sizes gamut we will probably meet in the middle. [smile]
Unfortunately there isn't much wind today so I may have to withhold any judgement until we get some.    Mike
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mcdugal2
I didn't use any fasteners on mine they kinda just stay in place seeing as how I used 1/16th inch aluminum sheet for mine... pics below...


IMG_0082 by mcdugal2, on Flickr

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Trout
mcdugal2 wrote:
I didn't use any fasteners on mine they kinda just stay in place seeing as how I used 1/16th inch aluminum sheet for mine... pics below...


IMG_0082 by mcdugal2, on Flickr

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Have you used it enough to notice any over heating issues with the grates?
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The largest Pot I've had on it just covered the grate and was full of water that I was bringing to a boil for Spaghetti So that was about 10 Minutes on almost high before being turned down... The largest Pan was a 20" aluminum frying/sauce pan with a lid that I did a large batch of scrambled eggs with sauteed mushrooms, onions, sausage, and diced green pepper for breakfast burritos in. It wasn't up that high though. No sustained heat long enough to get the metal dull red.
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Chucker
Phil, what about drilling holes near the top edge of the windscreen like Mike did? Also, were you going to taper the upper corner where each piece meets the generator?

I got my oldest 500 out tonight and lit it but I did it at the dining room table (wife looked cross-eyed at me). To dang cold to go out and fabricate in my garage (+1 deg.F).
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I did these about 2 years ago I haven't done anything with 'em since because I have to take the grate off to take 'em back off...
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Trout
I made a new screen for the short side today because it seemed we were getting some wind.  Well the wind didn't last long enough for much of a test.  So I took a fan outside and wouldn't ya know it died immediately.  Not to give up, I huffed and puffed til I got dizzy (or dizzier).  I'm happy with that side, the side I changed and blew on, but I'm not punching holes in the long side until I get some real wind.
On this one I used 3/16" holes, on 1" centers, 3/8" from the top, centered.  I also didn't round the bottom corners, they grab the base plate edge better this way.  I'll post again after I do the long side and verify flame stability.  Mike
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Rocinron
Still interested, will follow updates. I hope I saved the stainless steel sheet scrap I had.
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My final results:
I stuck with Chucker's idea of putting the holes higher up but I settled on 3/16" holes, 3/8" down from the top on 1" centers. I wanted the biggest holes, to let out the most heat to protect the grate, while not overly reducing the wind screening ability.  I also moved the Sparky to the opposite end, by the manifold. It gives me more 'elbow' room to work the Sparky and the valve at the same time.  To each our own.

We had some mild winds lately, with a few gusts, so I boiled close to 2 quarts of water at full blast and then turned stove way down and simmered for 15 minutes. This was in a small oval enameled chicken roasting pan.  It hung over the grating a few inches on 2 sides but was even with the grate on the other sides.  Grate did not get red that I could see.  Maybe the wind helped in that respect, I don't know. 
The wind would waver the flame now and again when it was turned up full blast but nothing like I used to. The flame was remarkedly calm when I turned it down to simmer. I did a pot of coffee as well with similar results.  I decided that no windscreen is going to be perfect in all the winds that Mother Nature can conjure up so I'm sticking with this.  It suits my purposes, YMMV. For a real test I guess I would have to buy another 500 so I could run them side by side, one with a screen and one without.  I don't see anyway around it. [smile]  Maybe those of you with 2 stoves could try that.
Oh, and I didn't make a funnel notch above the fuel filler because I use the bronze painted Frabil screened funnels with this stove. They fit the fuel filler hole so loosely that they don't interfere with the windscreen. 
On another note.  I don't have a 502 stove or heatdrum but was wondering if overheating the stove grate ever happens with that combination?  Doesn't that drum concentrate a lot of heat on the stove grate?



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Chucker
Wow Mike, that is good enough I think I will copy it! Yeah, the sparky location is probably not real critical however it looks like it might get very hot over time next to the manifold.

Have fun with it!
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Nice work. Great detail.
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ThosKiwi
Hello Mike and others,
Thats great work with all the windshields and the flint lighter!
Glad to hear that all the effort is worth it.! 


For completeness, I thought I would post a link (cross reference!), showing the dimensions of the windshields Coleman fitted to the GI 500 stoves during WWII.

http://www.spiritburner.com/fusion/showtopic.php?tid/14327/fromsearch/1/hl/rustbucket/tp/9/

The thread is very long but it has some VERY USEFUL information in it, for those patient enough read all of it!

Here's an other interesting  Canadian fettle of another wartime 500 stove.
http://www.spiritburner.com/fusion/showtopic.php?fid/403/tid/24203/

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Scouterjan
here is my 500 Military with windscreen, note, there is an air space between the bottom and top to allow for some heat to excape.
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ThosKiwi
Thanks Jan

Your photo shows the lower air intake slot really well.
It one of the things missing from the fabricated windshield at the beginning of this post.


That slot is illustrated in the link in post #29 link, here's one of the photos
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Trout
All good comments guys!  I noticed the gap at the bottom of the factory windshield as well and planned to have the shields sitting on top of the nuts of the grate legs, they do actually on one side.  The long side won't stay up on the nuts because I placed the clip mounting holes just a tad too close to each other.  With wider spacing between the holes would allow for a tight fit against the legs so the shield wouldn't drop down to the base plate.  If I ever get some stainless steel to replace these shields then that can be corrected.  In the mean time if I do have issues with not having enough air flow at the lower edges I can always notch the bottom between the legs.
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hikerduane
How is the thermal feedback to the fount?  have you checked on that after a long burn?  I know some of my backpacking stoves (Optimus 8/8R family) will get too much after running on high for too long and cause the SRV to vent.  Had that happen only once so far.
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Trout
hikerduane wrote:
How is the thermal feedback to the fount?  have you checked on that after a long burn?  I know some of my backpacking stoves (Optimus 8/8R family) will get too much after running on high for too long and cause the SRV to vent.  Had that happen only once so far.
Duane

Duane, I've only run the stove a max of probably half an hour since the windscreewns went on.  (Test boiled after and then made coffee.) I did check the fount temp with just my hands, no thermal reader here.  It certainly did not get as hot as some of my lantern founts but since it was only a short burn.  I will continue to check it.
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Trout, I'd say that was good then.  My 502 is only used a little to fix splattery food like bacon so nothing gets dirty but the tailgate and used for pancakes.  I just won a old 500, we'll see how it runs.  Thank you for the info.
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Trout
I haven't posted for a couple of months until tonight and thought I should update this.
I've been busy but never too busy to camp.  Went out for a few days earlier this month and used the stove:
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That's a 10" Wagner and it was it was on the stove for at least an hour.  No problem with the grate getting overheated and the sparky at the backside by the manifold suffered no heat damage either.  That's a 440 stove on the other table, with the beans. [smile]
The Wagner did a couple of rounds of Sabatino sausages.
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Scouterjan
good to see you post, and glad the 500 is working properly
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That's a very thought out addition to your stove...nice!!!
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Chucker
Good looking camp out and meal Mike. Just finished windscreens for my 500. Won't get used until May probably but I have high hopes for faster heating!
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